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Song of Broken Pines

Song of Broken Pines
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TypeClaymore
Rarity
Base Attack49
Secondary StatPhys DMG%
Secondary Stat Value4.5
Special (passive) AbilityRebel's Banner-Hymn
Special (passive) Ability DescriptionA part of the "Millennial Movement" that wanders amidst the winds. Increases ATK by 16%, and when Normal or Charged Attacks hit opponents, the character gains a Sigil of Whispers. This effect can be triggered once every 0.3s. When you possess 4 Sigils of Whispers, all of them will be consumed and all nearby party members will obtain the "Millennial Movement: Banner-Hymn" effect for 12s. "Millennial Movement: Banner-Hymn" increases Normal ATK SPD by 12% and increases ATK by 20%. Once this effect is triggered, you will not gain Sigils of Whispers for 20s. Of the many effects of the "Millennial Movement," buffs of the same type will not stack.
In-game DescriptionA greatsword as light as the sigh of grass in the breeze, yet as merciless to the corrupt as a typhoon.
Stat Progression
LevelBase AtkPhys DMG%Ascension Materials
1494.5
5685.2
10936.1
151197
201458
20+1768
x5
x5
x3
x10000
252038.9
302309.8
3525810.7
4028611.6
40+31711.6
x5
x18
x12
x20000
4534612.5
5037413.4
50+40613.4
x9
x9
x9
x30000
5543514.3
6046415.2
60+49515.2
x5
x18
x14
x45000
6552516.1
7055517
70+58617
x9
x14
x9
x55000
7561717.9
8064818.9
80+67918.9
x6
x27
x18
x65000
8570919.8
9074120.7
Special Ability Progression (Refine)
Refine Level 1A part of the "Millennial Movement" that wanders amidst the winds. Increases ATK by 16%, and when Normal or Charged Attacks hit opponents, the character gains a Sigil of Whispers. This effect can be triggered once every 0.3s. When you possess 4 Sigils of Whispers, all of them will be consumed and all nearby party members will obtain the "Millennial Movement: Banner-Hymn" effect for 12s. "Millennial Movement: Banner-Hymn" increases Normal ATK SPD by 12% and increases ATK by 20%. Once this effect is triggered, you will not gain Sigils of Whispers for 20s. Of the many effects of the "Millennial Movement," buffs of the same type will not stack.
Refine Level 2A part of the "Millennial Movement" that wanders amidst the winds. Increases ATK by 20%, and when Normal or Charged Attacks hit opponents, the character gains a Sigil of Whispers. This effect can be triggered once every 0.3s. When you possess 4 Sigils of Whispers, all of them will be consumed and all nearby party members will obtain the "Millennial Movement: Banner-Hymn" effect for 12s. "Millennial Movement: Banner-Hymn" increases Normal ATK SPD by 15% and increases ATK by 25%. Once this effect is triggered, you will not gain Sigils of Whispers for 20s. Of the many effects of the "Millennial Movement," buffs of the same type will not stack.
Refine Level 3A part of the "Millennial Movement" that wanders amidst the winds. Increases ATK by 24%, and when Normal or Charged Attacks hit opponents, the character gains a Sigil of Whispers. This effect can be triggered once every 0.3s. When you possess 4 Sigils of Whispers, all of them will be consumed and all nearby party members will obtain the "Millennial Movement: Banner-Hymn" effect for 12s. "Millennial Movement: Banner-Hymn" increases Normal ATK SPD by 18% and increases ATK by 30%. Once this effect is triggered, you will not gain Sigils of Whispers for 20s. Of the many effects of the "Millennial Movement," buffs of the same type will not stack.
Refine Level 4A part of the "Millennial Movement" that wanders amidst the winds. Increases ATK by 28%, and when Normal or Charged Attacks hit opponents, the character gains a Sigil of Whispers. This effect can be triggered once every 0.3s. When you possess 4 Sigils of Whispers, all of them will be consumed and all nearby party members will obtain the "Millennial Movement: Banner-Hymn" effect for 12s. "Millennial Movement: Banner-Hymn" increases Normal ATK SPD by 21% and increases ATK by 35%. Once this effect is triggered, you will not gain Sigils of Whispers for 20s. Of the many effects of the "Millennial Movement," buffs of the same type will not stack.
Refine Level 5A part of the "Millennial Movement" that wanders amidst the winds. Increases ATK by 32%, and when Normal or Charged Attacks hit opponents, the character gains a Sigil of Whispers. This effect can be triggered once every 0.3s. When you possess 4 Sigils of Whispers, all of them will be consumed and all nearby party members will obtain the "Millennial Movement: Banner-Hymn" effect for 12s. "Millennial Movement: Banner-Hymn" increases Normal ATK SPD by 24% and increases ATK by 40%. Once this effect is triggered, you will not gain Sigils of Whispers for 20s. Of the many effects of the "Millennial Movement," buffs of the same type will not stack.
Item Story

There was once a popular folk song that went like this:
"Toss to the bard all the coins you can spare,"
"Give your bouquet to yon maiden so fair,"
"Take wine so bitter it makes the tears flow,"
"Drink to the yesterday now been and gone, and sing for tomorrow that comes with the dawn."

In the land where songs and music carry on the wind, the people have merry yet sensitive souls.
It is said that there were times in history when the tyrant Decarabian and the ruling aristocrats would ban certain chords and tunes,
For discerning people could sense the spirit of resistance that lay behind the music of the bards and singers.
Songs and hymns had also indeed been used before as a way for rebels to communicate.

In the days of the ruling aristocracy, the Church that revered the Anemo Archon was once split in twain by a schism:
On one side stood the clergy, who ate at the lords' table, and overturned the archon's statues with them even as they wrote songs and hymns of praise.
On the other stood the saints, who held no clerical office, and who walked the streets, the wine cellars, and the world beyond the walls.
These saints drank cheap moonshine, blessing the slave and the plebeian with the original holy manuscripts that circulated amongst the people and with words that the wind brought to them.
And while they did so, they penned forbidden songs and poetry.

When the gladiator from a foreign land arose together with the re-awakened Anemo Archon and raised the banner of rebellion,
The aged saint known as the Nameless Shepherd mobilized the true adherents of the Church of Favonius.
Together with many others, they spilled their martyred blood upon these emerald fields.
And together, they sang a rallying cry to save the nation, the hitherto-unsung half of that folk song of old:

"Leave the keen steel to those who will give their lives for the fight,"
"Prepare the thieves' gallows,"
"Sharpen your rusted arrows,"
"For when the music sounds, we shoot the beasts down."

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    • Shilpo on 29 May 2021 at 1:19 pm
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    I Just got eula on 50/50 and also got her weapon.
    Which is her bis?!

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      • Leonhart on 30 May 2021 at 9:44 pm
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      Gratz on the pulls! There’s a lot of preference to Eula’s weapon choice, honestly one could make a case for each 5* weapon.

      From various sources, Wolf’s Gravestone has the best damage, slightly better than Song of Broken Pines, but the passive is harder to activate and has worse uptime (consider bosses, where most of the fight they have more than 30% health, or 1-shotting enemies before they ever reach 30%). I think if you were to ask most people what her “BiS” weapon is, they would probably say Wolf’s Gravestone.

      Song of Broken Pines will basically only be good on physical claymore dps (Razor, Eula) due to phys% secondary, but its passive is extremely easy to activate. I personally use this and plan to stick with it, as I find the extra attack speed just makes her feel more responsive and fun to play, enough so that I wouldn’t trade it for a few % extra damage. Note that the secondary stat only contributes to Eula’s physical damage, not her cryo.

      The Unforged has comparable (slightly less) damage than the above options, assuming you keep a shield active (best with zhongli, diona’s shield is much weaker, Noelle’s is weaker and has bad uptime). A downside is that Eula doesn’t need shields as much as other main DPS due to her defense/interruption resist from grimheart (I ran her through the current abyss with just a Qiqi on heals/no shields, got 500/600 primos).

      Eula is a bit ER intensive, so Skyward Pride is a viable option, but you will have moderately less damage (if you aren’t going for ER substats on artifacts though, those will give extra damage, and you can balance this out somewhat).

      At some point in the future, we are likely to get a Claymore in the Jade series, with a crit chance secondary stat (the existing jade series weapons have different passives, so not sure what this one will have). This weapon could end up being very good, and will almost certainly work on most characters (CC is generally a very good stat, and would buff both Eula’s physical and cryo damage).

      Here is one source I had looked at for my own purposes, check it if you want numbers, I’d definitely recommend consulting others for a fuller picture (different sources use different methods to test damage, come away with different conclusions, and consider separate contexts): https://keqingmains.com/eula/

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        • RiP on 31 May 2021 at 5:28 am
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        The thing with pines is that it does not stack like playing with other ppl eulas in co op and they use pines too.
        The most annoying thing I find is timing pines passive to proc with her burst in most situations.

        WGS if u want to be lazy and just mash the AA buttons but yes if u ask most people they will say WGS is her best weapon on her to deal extra dmg.

        There’s quite a bit of argument between these two weapons.
        I would say just play with whichever makes u feel happy or send the Eula analysis page to them lol.
        Of course once we get the jade claymore then that would be best universal weapon on her.

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        • Greatsword Slamwich on 31 May 2021 at 5:34 am
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        I checked both eula analysis and keqing mains links, very good info~

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          • Leonhart on 31 May 2021 at 7:26 pm
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          Thanks! I’m happy to hear it was helpful.

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            • Greatsword Slamwich on 1 June 2021 at 1:48 am

            Np it really helps and they are great reference!

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      • Firagaia on 31 May 2021 at 3:04 am
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      Congrats!
      Hoyolab did the analysis for her and credit to Nable for it.
      Her weapon isnt the ultimate best, it performs about as good as any other 5 star weapon.

      Heres the analysis of Eula
      https://m.hoyolab.com/genshin/#/article/377335

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        • Laura Arceid on 31 May 2021 at 5:09 am
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        mm yep i pretty much know all of this already lol
        i hung out in EulaMains long enough.

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        • General Aurelia on 31 May 2021 at 6:03 am
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        Looked down in the comment if anyone there asked bout its atk speed and Nable answered with ” Yeah about 1-2 stack extra. But it won’t be a major increase for her as a normal DPS.
        Broken Pines should be great if she’s a Burst DPS tho.”
        further down in the comments section too she answered that timing of both the pines passive and her bursts can be hard to do but its possible.
        “meanwhile i’m sure broken pines is better than unforged if you considered the movement buff and as long as it’s on when you do burst, ofc getting the timing is hard and it has downtime.
        > Yeah, I do think it’s completely possible. But it can be impractical to ensure the buff is active when she uses burst. That’s why I didn’t rank Pines at #1.”

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    • kiwi on 26 May 2021 at 4:42 pm
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    anybody think there’s any chance of a rerun? i don’t think i’ll be able to get it :/

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      • Laura Arceid on 27 May 2021 at 1:48 am
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      It will, the memory dust and summit shaper did recently.

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    • ScraftyBlues on 24 May 2021 at 5:53 am
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    “Of the many effects of the ‘Millennial Movement’, buffs of the same type will not stack.”
    Does this mean Song of Broken Pines’ 12%~24% Normal ATK Speed buff will NOT stack with Chongyun’s 8% Normal ATK Speed buff? If so, that’s complete trash, like wtf…

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      • Enufim on 25 May 2021 at 12:33 am
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      Uh no that’s not how it works. It’s basically saying if you have another SoBp user currently in your party you can’t stack the same buff again because that would be dumb.

      If the weapon is used with Razor’s ult he still gets the attack speed from the weapon and his ult, same with Chongyun’s E and Jean’s c2.

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      • Laura Arceid on 25 May 2021 at 2:27 am
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      Its only for those using broken pines like of you have two characters using it then it wont stack, chongyun should stack.

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      • CURRENT Eula Haver on 25 May 2021 at 10:19 am
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      It means it won’t stack with other Song of Broken Pines, only one can be active on a character at a time, it will stack with other buffs, and I believe that includes the other Millennial Movement weapons (Elegy for The End and Boreas Precocity)

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      • dms on 27 May 2021 at 1:57 pm
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      no, actually it means the passive won’t stack with other buff with the name ‘Millennial Movement’. like 2 SoBP or the new sword that is gonna be relesed and also venti bow…

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        • Jojo on 28 May 2021 at 1:49 am
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        The first effect does stack…

        Elegy of the End will give a party buff of Elemental Mastery and Attack%
        Song of Broken Pines will give a party buff of Attack Speed and Attack%

        What happens if both are triggered?

        The results was like this:
        Elemental mastery and Attack speed are both added to the party no problem,
        Attack% will be based on the most recent trigger, the older one will be overwritten.

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        • Etaleo on 28 May 2021 at 5:21 pm
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        it means that, “Even though the Millenial Movement has many buffs, buffs [granted by the same weapon] do not stack.” So Elegy + SoBP stack, but two SoBPs do not.

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    • AndroidSixx Biggest Fan on 18 May 2021 at 9:10 pm
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    AndroidSixx, give us your UID. We want to see if you even have Abyss 12-3 cleared.

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      • RIP Android Suxx on 21 May 2021 at 5:46 am
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      He ran away like a lying kid being caught by their parents. At the end of the day, he is just all talk filled with trash and lies. Useless poster that made so much drama without even knowing simple Genshin damage formulas. But well, he can’t even count how many mats it takes to triple crown, so there was no hope for him from the very beginning anyway.

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    • Lady Ningguang on 18 May 2021 at 4:00 am
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    I have a strange question…what if we all just…got the weapons we wanted and put them on the characters we wanted to put them on…and didn’t put other people down for what they are doing?

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      • VeryUnlucky on 18 May 2021 at 5:13 pm
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      Holy sh*t, Houston we found intelligent life, I cant believe it.

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      • hahaha on 19 May 2021 at 7:24 am
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      Tell that to our beloved AndroidSixx with his rubbish obvious lying triple crown day 1 Eula LOL

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      • Yessir on 19 May 2021 at 9:12 am
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      The reason the community is so toxic is because Genshin is a PvE game. So because of this in order for egotistic players to feel special they force their opinions on everyone

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        • Idk man on 24 May 2021 at 2:22 pm
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        I can’t imagine what would happen to the community if Genshin has a PvP mode.

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    • Not F2P friendly weapon on 17 May 2021 at 8:38 am
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    After reading the elegy and the broken pines description, It basically states as long as you possess these weapons in your party
    any normal attack or charge attack will generate the so-called sigils.
    There are different types of sigils, for broken pines = whispers & for elegy = remembrance
    So basically if I’m interpreting it correctly. Having 4 of the different millennial series weapons equipped on 4 different characters
    in your lineup will enable you to receive 4 different weapon buffs in unison.
    You will generate all 4 different sigils for the 4 different respective weapons every 0.3s for every normal and charged attack.
    Accumulating 4 will activate all the buffs tied to each respective weapons at the same time for 12s and go on global cooldown which is 20s.
    This is a very interesting concept for a weapon.
    As for the “Millennial movement,” buffs of the same type will not stack. Should be indicating that during Co-op play if two players are using
    the same weapon for example, Elegy.. they will not stack.

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      • Cooler #2 on 18 May 2021 at 1:30 pm
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      Exactly. Or if you happen to have two Broken Pines in one party in single player, they won’t stack.

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    • Jimmy Vo on 16 May 2021 at 9:53 pm
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    Good thing I already have R5 Pride from getting Amos

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      • Laura Arseid on 17 May 2021 at 9:07 am
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      Pride is really good at R5. That vaccum blade.

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    • Endthisdumbdebate on 16 May 2021 at 9:38 am
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    Theres a lot of arguing over BIS

    BIS = Skyward Pride, Eulas burst costs 80 energy so she will need energy recharge, and her Ideal damage window would be 10 seconds

    Her ideal damage would be switch in, use E skill and then burst immediately afterwards giving 2 stacks of grimheart and the sword, Eula then charge E immediately afterwards then do a bunch of normals for 7 seconds

    Casting her burst takes 2 seconds and hold E takes like 1.5 seconds. The 8 blades from the skyward passive is going to do work in this timeframe

    Theres a lot of misinformation about prides blades, but these blades are basically extra hits and they can crit individually its the same effect as the crescent pike

    And its is not the same as 680% extra damage on your burst in fact its far better than that

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    For Broken Pines you will be forced to run energy recharge and honestly the passive isn’t that great, attack% isn’t a great endgame stat and some of that attack% only applies on normal attacks, this weapon is pretty much elegy 2.0 outclassed by a more busted weapon

    Now someone is going to bring up X and Y made a spreadsheet and the calcs show that Broken pines does more damage

    These spreadsheets don’t show burst uptime, and 80 energy is a lot and a lot of them overestimate the number of attacks and hitlag, or don’t know how to calculate skyward pride, Meaning that broken pines Eula will need to get the energy recharge from artifacts and suddenly no longer beats skyward pride

    But Eula can spam her E, Yes but genshin usually balances this so a short cooldown like bennets E generates 2, while a long cooldown like XQ generates 5

    Eula will most likely generate 2 from press E, and 4 from hold E so no she will not be swimming in energy, And we have all seen how xiao is pretty much boned on extremely hard floors usually 12-3, 11-3 where you face a few super tanky enemies with an extremely low clear time 3 minutes even with a anemo battery.

    And for the guy talking about gravestone being better, it isn’t

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      • Laura Arseid on 17 May 2021 at 9:11 am
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      Honestly im stuck with wgs, i got it to R5 thanks to homa banner and my pride is only at R2..

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      • Subjective on 19 May 2021 at 7:22 am
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      BIS at r1 can only be talked about with artifact substats over here. Broken Pine is not BiS depending on what you have on your artifacts. Too much crit and little ER, and WGS will give you better performance. That said, Broken Pine in practice right now is much more easily controlled with its skill, especially since Eula starts off with a Q Rotation very early on, so it likely should almost always get ahead 99% of the time, but even on combat sims right now, it is very barely better (like within 1-2%) than WGS, and WGS certainly overtakes it if you somehow activated its skill during your rotation before burst.

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    • T on 15 May 2021 at 7:05 pm
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    sooo many people said the attack speed bonus from r1 isnt great because hitlag,i think attack speed does pause her ult duration just like how Razor’s attack speed extending his duration with hitlag,if you main razor you will noticed

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      • RiP on 17 May 2021 at 9:12 am
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      Attack speed help her get stacks faster from her ult.

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    • ami on 15 May 2021 at 7:47 am
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    i want her so bad but i only have 200 primos and im still 40 wishes away from soft pity aghhhh

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      • Laura Arseid on 15 May 2021 at 6:33 pm
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      Im just waiting for her to release, the hide n seek event is kinda meh..

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      • KimoOta on 16 May 2021 at 5:59 am
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      Ask Wallet-kun

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    • AndroidSixx on 15 May 2021 at 6:08 am
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    Just a few more days Physical Gang Rise up!

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    • AndroidSixx on 15 May 2021 at 5:58 am
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    lmao ay im just giving you the correct info so you guys dont force the devs to make another busted Zhongli buff….. genshin impact is so easy in current state that its literally cringey af to see u guys cry about buffs with the current power lvl the characters have lol…. like bruh… I can (and have) complete the entire game with only Jean. Even the last abyss, was able to 1 half the entire thing with just jean… only recently has this game actually started to get good, so dont cry… get good 😀

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      • SGAD. 16 on 17 May 2021 at 5:54 am
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      Agree. Need harder bosses

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      • Laughter on 18 May 2021 at 11:07 am
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      I think I love you ♥

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      • No on 19 May 2021 at 7:23 am
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      You are an embarrassment to this entire forum. Just stop posting.

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    • millia on 14 May 2021 at 7:02 pm
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    Guys,I have R5 Skyward Pride, do you think it’s worth pulling this weapon? I happened to get bad luck with most of standard banner and weapon banners… which lead to R5 Skyward Pride. Note that
    I am not considering to stack Refinement for Song of Broken Spine if I were to pull. Thanks.

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      • Laura Arseid on 15 May 2021 at 8:15 am
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      R5 skyward pride is already good. If u got bad luck before then prob not?
      This weapon is good if u can get high refines on it. (R3+)

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    • TF is going on with this comunity on 14 May 2021 at 12:05 am
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    tf is going on dude it’s a gachagame, play it for fun not for stupid numbers XD not bc you know how the numbers work you’re a better player. its not a competitive game XD pull for what you need/want/like, not for something a stupid jerk tells you bc you will do 1k plus dmg after breaking your head farming shit

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      • Future Eula Haver on 14 May 2021 at 10:09 am
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      That’s what I’m saying too lmao, the game doesn’t need any kind of min-maxing at all, so why tf is everybody arguing

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        • Laura Arseid on 15 May 2021 at 2:39 am
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        They love to cause drama apparently lol.

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        • AndroidSixx on 15 May 2021 at 6:06 am
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        That’s the problem, it doesnt yet, so many ppl can not get thru the game. So, wouldnt it be awesome if we showed the ppl that cant how we do it? OR NAHH?

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        • Laughter on 18 May 2021 at 11:17 am
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        I could not agree with you more. It’s silly. Min Maxing at this point is for those who cannot play well or are bored I spose. Movement and setting up mobs well along with layering elemental dmg and using your tool-kit correctly trumps a few extra dmg here or there on any weapon if a player can not facilitate it well. If miHoYo moves to PVP or some type or team raid progression or armory with in game achievements then it may be warranted. Play to have fun but learn to play well to have even more fun. ♥

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      • . on 16 May 2021 at 8:26 am
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      Some people also find it fun to do huge numbers in a game that’s our fun. It’s just that some people get too critical about it.

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        • Koi on 23 May 2021 at 4:25 am
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        I’m with you in this one. In any game, I always want to see huge numbers. I always want to obliterate contents whether they are easy or difficult. We all have different things that we find “fun”. If y’all love just exploring, you do you. If you just love completing all contents, you do you. PvP is not the sole reason why a game can be competitive.

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      • Laughter on 18 May 2021 at 11:12 am
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      Honestly I am sorta new to GI only AR 45 however not new to MMORPGs and End Game. Thus far I see absolutely no reason to Min-Max anything. Play style and movement aka setting up mobs correctly and layering elements correctly trump + this or + that in some weapon stat. Stats do not matter if you play poorly. You are correct there is no competitive reason as of yet to become serious in regards to optimizing. If miHoYo adds PVP or some type of Raid Progression or Armory with Achievements then it will be warranted. Play for fun however learning to play well w/in the meta makes the game far more fun to play. ♥

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      • NoNo on 20 May 2021 at 9:54 am
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      If they find it fun then who are you to judge? Whatever happens to letting people play however they want? Does it only apply to you and your group? Bunch of toxic hypocrites.

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    • KEKW on 13 May 2021 at 11:41 pm
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    Yo this AndroidSixx guy kinda clowning LMAOO If you guys want to get a good laugh scroll down, what a degen xD

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    • JustaPlayer on 13 May 2021 at 1:31 pm
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    If I don’t have 5* should i go for this?

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      • Laura Arseid on 13 May 2021 at 9:36 pm
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      if you are fine with either ones of the rate up weapons, then yes but chances are u might get copies of the one u already own.
      also theres a 25% chance for a off banner weapon too.

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      • Dani on 13 May 2021 at 10:57 pm
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      I think is worth in 2 situations:
      1.- If you have razor as your main DPS and you dont have the wolf gravestone
      2.- You have the sufficient protogems to summon Eula and (if you are lucky) the claymore

      Otherwise I would say nope

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    • Future Eula Haver on 13 May 2021 at 11:59 am
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    I might hold off on this weapon until people can actually test it, but what I really don’t get is why everybody is so obsessed with comparing it to other weapons as “BiS” when as far as I can tell, the only time a weapon has ever actually had any kind of FOMO is Staff of Homa. Like, why is it so important to prove that WGS is better than Pines or vice versa, when they’re both not only 5* weapons but also GREAT weapons, both are gonna perform fantastically on Eula, so I really don’t understand the issue. Are you guys THAT obsessed with numbers in a game that doesn’t demand min-maxing in the slightest? I can understand these kinds of arguments with actual characters since you play them, but weapons just augment a characters abilities, so it’s really nowhere NEAR as important as you make it out to be.

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      • AndroidSixx on 15 May 2021 at 6:00 am
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      This weapon is entirely built around maximizing the dmg from her burst, wgs will be perfectly fine. Def not a must have by any and all reasons. But if you want to go all out, it 100% is worth lol

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      • reframe on 16 May 2021 at 10:25 am
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      will this affect attack speed of charged attacks? or xinyan is sad…

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        • Laura Arseid on 17 May 2021 at 9:16 am
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        It should affect both autos and charged atks.

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    • Gusst2 on 13 May 2021 at 1:57 am
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    Good luck for the ones pulling for this!

    This will be my first weapon banner and I hope I get it, 70 wishes saved right now but I’m actually ok with any 5 weapons since I only have Skyward Harp that use on my Ganyu.

    I’m pulling this for my Razor xd

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    • Ksouljah54 on 12 May 2021 at 11:13 pm
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    He’s prolly 6 years only trying to brag, don’t be too harsh some people don’t know how the game works

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    • Childeposter on 12 May 2021 at 9:59 pm
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    Dont care about stat, give me my attack speed!!!!

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    • r u fr dude? on 12 May 2021 at 9:22 pm
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    bois AndroidSixx needs to chill! He goin wild criticizing a small mistake a player made because he didn’t understand a few things here and there! jeez dont be like him yall. games can ruin ppl, so control urself

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      • AndroidSixx on 15 May 2021 at 6:03 am
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      lmao im just teasing him, but for real on the mathssss <— like dont ever take what sum1 says in a game like this as law. this shhh cost big money to find out sum1 is wrong. Always do the math so you get the hard facts. Im not into wasting $1k or the equivalent of primos on bull, are you?

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        • momo on 16 May 2021 at 2:21 pm
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        you kinda went overboard with it ngl. and you still havent answered how you can triple crown her day 1 as you claimed (just teasing I know its not possible)

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    • Whale on 12 May 2021 at 7:17 am
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    I’m pulling this for Razor cuz Razor > Eula

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      • Brrrrr. on 16 May 2021 at 1:17 pm
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      how dare you compare a waifu material with thighs like Eula to a mere silent razor

  1. I’m a famous streamer with credibility so I can guarantee that this weapon is inferior to WGS even for Eula. They are just hyping players to pull for it for more income. Trust me. I tested different type of weapons and since this is similar to a prototype rancour so just imagine its performance.

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      • What? on 12 May 2021 at 3:23 pm
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      what famous streamer?.Also how does Prototype Rancour any similar to this? A

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        • Future Eula Haver on 13 May 2021 at 12:00 pm
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        Lol the only way it’s similar is because it has a Phys Dmg bonus effect

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      • Dandoyski Fan on 12 May 2021 at 7:15 pm
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      Wow it’s the famous Dandoyski omg

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      • Thanos on 13 May 2021 at 12:53 pm
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      I don’t even know who you are.

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      • Kakashi on 15 May 2021 at 8:52 am
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      imagine calling yourself “famous” xD

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      • Laughter on 18 May 2021 at 11:21 am
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      And I am an penguin who has a team of squirrels under my desk running my gaming system. If you are all that you would not announce it. Truth is absolute not something you “identify” with.

      …and on the very slim chance you are telling some truth and behaving that arrogant you would link your stream.

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    • AndroidSixx on 10 May 2021 at 2:36 pm
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    The annoying part about this whole ordeal however is the main youtuber that everyone knows is gonna get this weapon to show what it can do is Tenha and he’s going to probably instantly r5 it.

    Smh, Ill say it again, and last time… and Understand how ur dmg is calculated please. This sword is Eula’s bis because —–>>> 741 + 342 = 1083. This is Eula’s base atk. Now, add in the atk %s, 16%, 20%, 46.6% and another 18%. Not even counting the atk %s in ur subs. I even have a blood cdr hat with a 22.7% atk mod.

    Now without even going into the math and figuring it out, the most obvious thing here is that she has tooo much atk. Meaning it will 100% be more viable to add in more raw dmg % than to add MORE ATK. WGS adds more atk. adding more atk will not out dmg adding raw dmg %

    btw, the base of eula with wgs is this —-> 608+ 342 = 950. This should obviously show you that wgs literally overstacking her ATK is going to give her diminishing returns. To the point where there’s no way the 40% atk spec on it will out dmg this weapon on a sword explosion with LITERALLY over 1000% talent mod, literally the 20% is taking the ENTIRE END DMG and literally giving you 20% more of it.

    Can you guys just please understand this. Once you get it the devs will stop all of this hand holding in this game lol and this 100% isnt any of your faults, genshin impact starts to get insanely math heavy

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      • AndroidSixx on 10 May 2021 at 5:02 pm
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      Everyone that views this weapon and or plan to play Eula just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPMNOjihTDM

      Learn it, Im a physical dps main so this is vital in the creation of the strongest build you can make.

      Im actually trying to legit help you guys lol

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        • AndroidSixx on 10 May 2021 at 5:48 pm
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        Also to go even further and explain why the passive on this is already insanely gud on eula and buffing will make her EVEN MORE BROKEN lol is this.

        let me give u a raw Eula Burst scenerio with just using simple math, show u how this passive with even the smaller numbers is still busted regardless and why Eula is god mode:

        Scenrio 1: burst is lvl 8 with 627.4% base sword explosion talent mode. You pop ur burst and and lets say u hit a target 20 times within the 7 second window and build 20 stacks. Literally every single stack, like legit each 1 with increase the explosion mod by an insane 128.18%. That literally is 2,563.6% added to the base 627.4% dmg. Thats a whooping 3,191 talent mod.

        Now switch out WGS for Pines and lets say we keep it simple and you just do 16% more hits. So you get 16% more stacks because again the cap is 30. that is about 3 more stacks. Which means ur getting 128.18% x 3 = 384.54% added to that 3,191 making the talent mod for the explosion 3, 575.54.

        this “weak passive” is in this scenario making u dish out a burst explosion at literally 3, 575.54 talent mod. Now ill tell you RIGHT NOW the little +45% base atk and the 20% base atk mods for wgs WILL NOT even hold a candle to the “little pp dmg” 20% Physical DMG that applies after the full dmg calc.

        DO YOU GUYS GET IT YET? because i can’t explain it more simple than this…. like come on lol YES WGS will crack on EULA but PINES is the BIS.

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          • Razel on 11 May 2021 at 6:10 am
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          well the thing with WGS is the massive atk buff it gives to the whole team. Hell, I would not be surprised if Skyward pride will be better for Eula main dps if her ultimate gets reduced to 15s or 12s. And actually the 20% Phys Dmg is actually garbage especially when her BiS artifacts and her c1 all have phys damage bonus along with a phys damage goblet so with the concept of diminishing returns the 20% dmg bonus is almost negligible.

          This weapon’s attack speed buff is its last saving grace and it needs to make a big difference in her stacking mechanic or else its a no no weapon. Have you tried using razor and bashing a ruin guard with his ult up, you can’t feel the 40% attack speed increase. I guess its nice that the SoBP buff is easier to proc compared to hitting a 30% hp enemy with WGS passive.

          But let us wait and see before making too many big assumptions like her being “god tier” ,We don’t want another of those zhongli incident, do we? Right now lets accept the fact that phys dps in general is weaker compared to elemental mainly melt/vape unless some godly constellations like c6 xiao or something. For now this weapon is her “signature weapon” similar to Vortex with Zhongli. But BiS is yet to be confirm nor her being broken tier especially without any off field dps ults like ganyu.

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            • Zeus on 11 May 2021 at 4:15 pm

            destroy ’em with facts and numbers

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            • KaiKawasumi on 11 May 2021 at 4:57 pm

            ” you can’t feel the 40% attack speed increase”, uh…yes you can. It’s noticeable af. Now if you’re saying this swords much lower attack speed buff won’t be felt, then I think you’re probably gonna be right about that. Saying Razor’s attack speed buff isn’t felt though is absurd, it’s literally night & day.

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            • T on 12 May 2021 at 11:06 am

            uhh what does ” you can’t feel the 40% attack speed increase” mean

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            • T on 12 May 2021 at 11:45 pm

            oh you mean the hitlag ?,the faster you are the more hitlag

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            • Gusst2 on 13 May 2021 at 1:53 am

            ???? What do you mean you can’t feel the 40% attack speed increase, it’s pretty noticeable.

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          • Genshin Math God with 3 Engineering PhDs on 18 May 2021 at 5:35 pm
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          Lol that’s not how physical DMG bonus % works. You’re getting the majority of your phys dmg% from pale flame and goblet already. The 20% is just adding into that multiplier. You are making it out to be like it’s doing 1.20 times her total damage which is not true lol. It’s not a seperate multiplier.

          You have atk * talent * dmg bonus
          You can also consider EM bonus and RES shred seperate multipliers.

          It is not atk * talent * dmgbonus * HIDDEN OP PINES MULTIPLIER.

          Have a nice day

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      • cope on 10 May 2021 at 8:04 pm
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      Congratulations on wasting so much of your artifact substats on ATK%, without even realizing that at 120% ATK bonus on both WGS and Pine, you would only have a difference of 159.6 ATK, which is less than 7% of Eula’s entire ATK in most cases with these weapons. Except you’ll be having so much less Crit because you wasted so much of your substats on refining ATK%. You are so damn bad at this game it’s hilarious. Have you even cleared 8k on latest event? Literally D Tier theorycrafting.

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        • AndroidSixx on 11 May 2021 at 8:14 am
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        LMAO this guy is talking about atk% substats… little man, I have a complete 250+ cdmg 59+ cr Pale flame physical build already created. I already have a wgs, pride lierally everything. You sitting here talking about wasting time on atk subs when I literally only mention 1 22% sub. Go back and read please. lmao I cleared the entire game sir. Also will have Eula triple crowned WITH this weapon on day 1. Will you?

        LMAO go run and play kiddo…

        1. triple crown? how do you have 18 of her talent mats, even with solvent and 3x drops per week. azdaha has only been on the game for 3 weeks. thats 9 mats at most

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            • QiqiComeHome on 13 May 2021 at 6:21 pm

            hahaha he didn’t reply 😂
            he is a clown *shishishi*

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            • kiya on 16 May 2021 at 10:18 pm

            250% cdmg and 60 cr for claymore user (no 5 star crt weapons) means totally perfect artifacts, which is whale-possible

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          • Laughter on 18 May 2021 at 11:30 am
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          “little man” wow…Go take a walk in the woods and breath the fresh air of reality “big”….uhhh…hmmm??? Oh I got it “big Bully”.
          Regarding your childish comment which drips with insecure boasting: Who cares. It’s a game not cancer research or the cure of stupid PLUS your ability to facilitate tool-kits within the meta well while moving in a way that places mobs LOS or FF for maximized AOE dmg output trumps your need to brag about stats on any cool bad arse weapon or new 5-Star Hero or mommies credit card. I guarantee you no one here is impressed.
          Apparently your home and X life are found wanting to the point you have mastered the Dunning–Kruger effect well in a anime game. Good job!

          True masters are humble. True leaders inspire. True talent demonstrates with empirical data. Anyone can talk big.

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          • copeharder on 19 May 2021 at 7:15 am
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          Lmao, telling lies now with your 100% artifact effectivity with some miracle triple crown on day 1 that is not even possible? You can’t even calculate the maximum amount of mats needed to level skills up. It shows how pathetic you are and why you can’t even figure out your mathematical errors. Hilariously pathetic, just as I expected.

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        • AndroidSixx on 11 May 2021 at 8:19 am
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        Also you literally just exposed how small your IQ is sitting here talking about atk% when this is entierly about phys dmg. Can you read? Also lmao you clearly are drunk cause Eula’s lvl up stat is crit dmg… can sum1 come pick there mans up off the floor lmao. Drinkless so your brain can work. Man’s talking about getting 8k in a silly little event lmao are you even remotely serious?

        Come to bdo and I will show you combat in a real pvp game if you want to prove something and you’ll get instanely put in your place, and sent right back to your pve game where players cry about meanless stuff and most dont even know how to do simple math. Like you for example.

        LMAO Come find me. Just look for Android lil pve boi

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          • what? on 19 May 2021 at 7:17 am
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          8k in all stages is 32k in total. Once again, you fail at even English. Why are you so weak and a failure in life? Just stop playing Genshin and start concentrating on your high school exams, Little “Triple Crown Day 1” Boy.

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        • AndroidSixx on 11 May 2021 at 8:29 am
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        Me and my homies sitting here clowning this 0 brain so hard right now lmao… and it’s obv just him that doesnt get it cause only you here with literally the completely wrong info and trying to insult with a pve came ur clearly not gud at…

        lmfao keep thinking that “Now, add in the atk %s, 16%, 20%, 46.6% and another 18%.” is artifact atk% subs lmfao.. ok we’ll leave him alone… xD but bruh… you just made ya self look like the biggest 0 brain in front of literally thousands… xD

        Players like you, is why genshin is on handicapped mode lol

        Ok ok lmao ill stop roasting him lmao lmao this 8k in an event lmao, i cleared the entire thing day one. It was EASY. Genshin is EASY. and no I don’t care if you cleared it either cause genshin is a pve game LMAO I have 0 cares in the world what you got on ur clearly bad at math and reading impaired account…

        Alright alright lmao xD this kid is prob like 15 or sum sh xD

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          • Lol on 12 May 2021 at 7:38 am
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          Sir, this I just a game lol. No need to go all angry about it. How about you go touch some grass because clearly, this game is affecting you negatively. May I suggest therapy as well?

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          • ska on 12 May 2021 at 2:20 pm
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          pretty sure most of the forum looks at you like a complete mongoloid instead.
          other dude just made a mistake assuming the weapon’s passives, sands mainstat & noblesse/TM proc bonus in your first post are your artifact substats, meanwhile you’ve been sitting here for 3 days replying to your own posts & polishing your own dick pretending to be laughing at him with your imaginary “homies” and calling him out to pvp you like an actual 12 year old.
          don’t think I’ve ever seen anything more depressing on any messageboard in decades, and I’ve frequented some proper sad places with really delusional manchildren.

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          • Panzerkopf on 12 May 2021 at 3:35 pm
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          I’ll some flowers on your ass’ grave since nothing deserves to be that destroyed by its very own owner. Laughing it off so frequently is just ruthless.

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          • yikes on 16 May 2021 at 5:29 am
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          Your homies? You’ve been in this comment section making a joke of yourself talking to people who acknowledge you as a dumb shit. You’re even adding ‘XD’s into your own comments to make yourself laugh…

          On a side not, stop addressing yourself as ‘we’ it makes you look delusional and very lonely sheeeesh.

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            • Haz on 21 May 2021 at 1:06 am

            I think his homies are his tears

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    • igor on 9 May 2021 at 3:18 pm
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    i thought about pulling for EULA and for this claymore, but today i’ve got WGS from standard banner. I guess i should forget about this claymore and just use WGS? I’m not whale

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      • AndroidSixx on 9 May 2021 at 7:39 pm
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      There’s no downside of using WGS for Eula at all by any means, and if u dont plan to make her you main and want to min max her, WGS is 100% fine, but This is her BIS but regardless you’ll be able to do VERY well with WGS on her.

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        • Gald on 10 May 2021 at 1:23 am
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        It’s only her BiS if you can refine it. At R1 Wolf’s Gravestone is the best in slot weapon for her.

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          • FeelsBadMan on 11 May 2021 at 2:53 am
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          Pine shills in these comments not realizing at all on how ATK SPD even functions in this game is kind of sad to see. Well, at least Mihoyo will earn their money and keep the game f2p for the rest of us.

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      • Grats on 10 May 2021 at 2:20 am
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      WGS is her BiS as long as you get around 30 – 40% ER from artifacts.

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