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Weapon #1314

Cinnabar Spindle
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TypeSword
Rarity
Base Attack41
Secondary StatDEF
Secondary Stat Value15
Special (passive) AbilitySpotless Heart
Special (passive) Ability DescriptionElemental Skill DMG is increased by 40% of DEF. The effect will be triggered no more than once every 1.5s and will be cleared 0.1s after the Elemental Skill deals DMG.
In-game DescriptionA sword made from materials that do not belong in this world. The power within might even be able to withstand the corruption of a venom that could corrode a mighty dragon.
Stat Progression
LevelBase AtkDEFAscension Materials
14115
55417.4
106920.5
158423.5
209926.5
20+12526.5
x3
x3
x2
x5000
2514029.6
3015532.6
3516935.6
4018438.7
40+21038.7
x3
x12
x8
x15000
4522441.7
5023844.7
50+26444.7
x6
x6
x6
x20000
5527847.8
6029350.8
60+31950.8
x3
x12
x9
x30000
6533353.8
7034756.8
70+37356.8
x6
x9
x6
x35000
7538759.9
8040162.9
80+42762.9
x4
x18
x12
x45000
8544065.9
9045469
Special Ability Progression (Refine)
Refine Material:
Cinnabar Spindle
Refine Level 1Elemental Skill DMG is increased by 40% of DEF. The effect will be triggered no more than once every 1.5s and will be cleared 0.1s after the Elemental Skill deals DMG.
Refine Level 2Elemental Skill DMG is increased by 50% of DEF. The effect will be triggered no more than once every 1.5s and will be cleared 0.1s after the Elemental Skill deals DMG.
Refine Level 3Elemental Skill DMG is increased by 60% of DEF. The effect will be triggered no more than once every 1.5s and will be cleared 0.1s after the Elemental Skill deals DMG.
Refine Level 4Elemental Skill DMG is increased by 70% of DEF. The effect will be triggered no more than once every 1.5s and will be cleared 0.1s after the Elemental Skill deals DMG.
Refine Level 5Elemental Skill DMG is increased by 80% of DEF. The effect will be triggered no more than once every 1.5s and will be cleared 0.1s after the Elemental Skill deals DMG.
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Item Story

Separate the dust in the flames with joy, and extract the exquisite from the crude.
For all in the universe comes from a single source, and all things may be derived from a single thought.
You must pursue that which your elder brother, the one-horned white horse, could not accomplish.
Reach the far side of philosophy, and create a new destiny for myself and your brothers...

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    • Sad Albedo Main on 28 November 2021 at 9:31 am
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    Just to let you guys know, the swords ability is currently bugged in which the ABILITY WILL BE PERMANENTLY DISABLED. It isn’t clear whether or not its caused by damaging a shielded enemy (Abyss Mage) or burning grass triggering Albedo’s E but the numbers are there. In order to temporarily fix this bug, switch Cinnabar Spindle with any weapon and then re-equip Cinnabar Spindle. Really hope this bug gets officially acknowledged by Mihoyo immediately and not “quickly” like Xinyan’s shield.

    • averagealbedoenjoyer on 26 November 2021 at 9:01 am
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    Very satisfied with this weapon’s performance! Can’t wait to fully refine it so my boi can FINALLY do damage worthy of a 5 star 🙂

    Now, if only the new domain would give me an artifact worth a damn…

    • cheddar on 26 November 2021 at 3:43 am
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    My albedo with r5 HoD lvl 90 and zhongli shield + geo res hit 20,257 max. Now with the new sword I hit 26,200. And the sword was at lvl 70 and r1, theres no question that this 100% replaces HoD. With r5, Gorou, and good substats with the new 4 piece, theres no question he’ll hit 40k casually.

    • Xilantro on 26 November 2021 at 2:53 am
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    69 Def, nice!

      • kekw on 29 November 2021 at 7:52 am
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      they should buff this sword by reducing it’s max attak by 34 imo

    • asdf on 25 November 2021 at 5:13 pm
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    Like someone else has said, corrosion is being more and more relevant in genshin. Not only do the new wolf mobs apply it, i’m sure there will be more mobs in the future with the corrosion mechanic and god knows when MHY may put corrosion effect in abyss again. This makes it nearly impossible for him to maintain his above 90% health. Other than that, I do see your point. HoD makes it to make insane CR:CD ratios, while Cinnabar makes it easier to manage DEF, which is great c0, and even greater c2. Moreover, some argue that equiping cinnabar makes it easier to apply atk sands so his burst will deal bigger dmg. I dunno what payoff is better so refer to the guys above me lol

    • Wizard Lizard on 23 November 2021 at 10:16 am
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    Albedo Mains: “I HAVE THE POWEEEEEEEERRRRRR!”

    • No on 19 November 2021 at 3:50 pm
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    To me, overall, this spindle is not that better than harbringer. First of all, you have to consider this: this weapon is skill oriented, totally. While HoD having crit can increase burst too. Second, crit rate: this weapon doesn’t have it, so you must build it entirely with set. While HoD is 28% free, if managed properly with health. That means DPS, which is dmg per SECOND not pure dmg numbers, as every dumbass may think. For sure this weapon will do higher numbers, but when it doesn’t crit, HoD is better. And it has 28% higher chance. Don’t say you can usee crit rate hat etc, because if you do that ofc the overall crit dmg is lower, hence, again and newly, the overall dmg is equivalent. Minus crit rate, ofc.
    To me if you do the classic set with petra plus nobless, HoD is much better because it works better with burst, while if you want to do a totally focused set with skill and new set bonus coming, it could be better the new spindle. But I’m curious to see how many people will farm it fiercely if they took months to do their current set.
    Btw to me personally atk albedo is still the best ideal choice: the pity is that he needs a very powerful weapon like mist splitter. With a powerful burst + fatal blossom he can do a higher dps than the one he does with burst + skill with a skill focused set, because like that his burst simply sucks. And with mistsplitter he can still increase his skill, so it’s really ideal for him.

      • Leo on 20 November 2021 at 6:11 am
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      1) I mean his main damage source comes From His def thats why lvl 90 is way better than lvling other character to 90 ….
      2) Atk Scaling is good but only and only if he is the main dps ( EX. Albedo – 2 ATK BUFF (Mona / Bennett ) – Zhongli for Geo res ) But if you build def he can be Universal + HOD is the second option ( after cinnabar ) But one of the Niche / Hybrid albedo sword with sword like Amenoma Kageuchi even being better for more overall dmg even sword like blackcliff , the flute will give more overall dmg if you build him for ATK Albedo

      However, (AS of now) Keep in mind gorou still exist giving albedo not just 400 def + 15% geo dmg at talent lvl 11-12 ( which btw c3 and not c5 which is already an advantage) but he gain an extra 25% def from gorou passive which is an extra 225 def total of 655 Which at lvl 7 thats around 1.2k Flat dmg without counting Crit dmg/geo dmg%/geo res% which just from gorou that would be an extra 5k ish (If we said you have 200crit dmg) with counting Geo res% Which is a 25% increase just from 1 character ….. Imagine with cinnabar spindle ……. which will give him 69% -hahaha fun number MIHOYO- which is around 604 which is the same as amound 5k ( again without counting geo res% and geo dmg% which i am not exactly sure how it works is it like crit dmg a flat % increase or some sort of math idk ) + 80% Of his Overall DEF ( And yes it is most likely his overall def and not his flat ) which with gorou and def goblet that would be around an extra 7k and if we count crit ( if it crit idk ) that would be around 20k meaning just from 1 sword u can get ( but still better waiting for it realese ) an extra 25k ish … that already double his dmg ……. And without count the new def set

      All in all, Def / atk is good before patch 2.3 ,,,,,,,,, But on patch 2.3 …….. Def will be 2-3 time better than what it used to be ….

      BTW The “Trigger not more than once” is just a lie …. he already hit once every 1-2 sec + If you have HOD …… Then keep it and better use resin on artifact set .. but if you already have over than 50% crit rate ( and lets say around 150-200 crit dmg) then start building for cinnabar spindle

      Criting + Gaining energy is two of the biggest weakness for new player …. And hod fix one of them. … however when you reach end game criting will be easier

      • Tanu on 21 November 2021 at 12:01 pm
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      i m testing albedo CDM 220+Deff 1,6k VS CDM170+Deff 2,1k with same weapon, option 2 hase more DMG, i know its not relevant for this discussion, but new weapon is not disappointing, we can hope to increase in damage even if the CDM is reduced a lot.

      • Niz285 on 24 November 2021 at 3:28 pm
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      Also dont forget that corrosion is a major focus this patch with the new wolf boss. So keeping Albedo over 90% will be more of a hassle due to him getting tick dmg while off the field.

      • RIP HoD on 26 November 2021 at 5:50 am
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      Well, sadly cinnabar already smoke HoD to the dust with only R2. Lvl 90 cinnabar R2 already beat HoD no matter how, even if cinnabar albedo only have 95% cdmg and HoD have 190% cdmg LoL

    • DefinitelyAnAlbedoSimp on 19 November 2021 at 3:22 pm
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    well, we wont need to farm def goblet for albedo to receive a high def flat anymore when we equip this weapon on him; and we can have geo dmg goblet instead which will make his blossoms dmg better. Moreover, circlet seems must be a crit one to do big pp critted dmg so yeh, we now can balance albedo’s artifact kit with this weapon honestly. THAT”S MEAN, ARUBEDO”S TIME HAS COME!

    • Laikes on 18 November 2021 at 5:34 pm
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    I feel like on a Gorou/Itto team comp this would be great on Geo traveler. Obviously if you have Albedo it would go on him, but some people don’t (including myself). Gorou gives multiple geo and defense buffs.

    -15% Geo damage bonus(elemental skill)

    -400 defense(elemental skill ≈ talent level 8)

    -Increases all nearby party members’ DEF by 25% for 12s after using Juuga: Forward Unto Victory.” (ascension talent/burst)

    If his burst is active (which also gives the buffs of his skill) you’ll also bave the 25% defense bonus, plus the 400 flat defense from his skill’s buff. You can go attack sands (not defense) + the normal crit rate/damage build and it might do some insane damage.

      • Leo on 20 November 2021 at 6:17 am
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      AAAAA …… You know that Geo mc at talent lvl 9 Skill Atk raito is 400% …. Meaning Atk% is still better ….. Yes yes yes yes , you can go for atk% piece … however cinnabar spindle biggest weakness ( which is why what you are saying cant be true ) is actually having a low base atk….. meaning atk% piece will be less effective that what it used to be….. using other craftable weapon will ever be better than cinnabar spindle ….

      Better of use Hod rather than this sword with Geo mc for even higher dmg output than This sword …

      As huge cinnabar spindle secondary stat + passive looks live but still… Could be an off meta build who knows ….

      • cinnabar is albedo buff with extra step on 26 November 2021 at 5:55 am
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      No, this sword is copium for character other than albedo. On geo MC, fastering demolish this sword, so this is not even competition. And like other person said, HoD also beat this sword for geo MC

      TLDR
      You have albedo and use this sword = heaven
      You don’t have albedo and use this sword = copium

    • RZS on 18 November 2021 at 3:58 am
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    Hahah, rise up Albedo

    • Mikle on 16 November 2021 at 11:10 pm
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    I think it will be good on sub dps Qiqi, that deals damage with her E. Qiqi has the highest defense by the way

      • Iris on 21 November 2021 at 3:49 pm
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      Nahhh, Qiqi does not scale on Def% but Atk%.
      Even if you try to work it off, the trade off will be low attack + Qiqi’s E skill damage has low scaling.

      • , on 25 November 2021 at 5:39 pm
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      no

      • Jocko on 26 November 2021 at 10:47 pm
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      Depends, I still don’t know the exact math of how this sword works. I don’t have Qiqi so I don’t know how much of her damage comes from her E.Skill and how much from her Burst. This obviously does nothing for her Burst but if most of her damage comes from her E. Skill and this increases her E.Skill damage enough, it could be worth it.

    • albedo brrrr on 16 November 2021 at 8:25 pm
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    soon there gonna be 50k albedo e skill procs even higher if used with c6 gorou : ).

      • albedoissussuy on 20 November 2021 at 6:47 pm
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      more than 50000
      it’s pretty easy to do 45k (dolphin) now and new artifact +gorou will basically double that

    • RolandLory on 16 November 2021 at 8:08 pm
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    I know that there’s might be stones thrown in me, but I was looking on whom this sword passive would work, beside Albedo, cuz I don’t have him, and will be saving my rolls for Itto.
    My first idea was Anemo traveler, cuz he has low % on E skill and a lot of procs, but I forget that this weapon passive pocs only once a 1.5 second.
    Then I calculated raw numbers of ATK per E skill % and got that this weapon r5 passive is equal to 50-75% DMG with 2000 ATK, depending on chracter base DEF stat, where 50% is 600 DEF, and 75% is 900 DEF.
    After all this theoriesing and looking through sword users I come to mind that there is also 2 characters that can use it as free option.
    Main candidate is Qiqi. She has 922 DEF, and 154% DMG on lvl 8 E skill. I don’t know how players build her, and don’t have her myself, but with 3k ATK, and nothing beside this weapon as DEF boost, her ghost would deal around 30% more dmg, and his attack pattern is exactly 1.5 secons to proc weapon passive with each it.
    Second “ok” choice is Keqing. She has 2-3 procs on her E skill which % is pretty low 85% and 286% or 142%x2, and also one of highest base DEF in game. Let’s say she has 2k ATK, and with only this DEF boosting weapon 1350 DEF. Her raw damage on E procs is 1700 and 5700 or 2800+2800, which with this wepon passive become 2850 and 6850 or 3950 and 2800, if you wait 1.5 second befor using her E skill second time. In total, this will increase her E skill output by 30%.

      • Mozes on 18 November 2021 at 10:55 am
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      there are 3 issues with using it on qiqi
      1. she is shit – she just doesnt have the damage to justify making her strong and she doesnt have enough utility either
      2. there is an opportunity cost, if you want to maximise her damage, a weapon will be a big part of it… and you have to keep in mind that her auto attacks is the strongest part of her kit
      so if you compare this to black sword or flute or mostly any other atk weapon, you are losing so much other stats that its just not worth it
      3. low base atk on the weapon

      • Jocko on 26 November 2021 at 10:45 pm
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      3k ATK on Qiqi? Are the only people who post on this site whales or something? But still, good to see one of you whales is trying to work with characters not favored by whales. I imagine it must be getting boring steamrolling everything as a whale.

    • Duy on 16 November 2021 at 5:53 pm
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    All geo MC’s slill scaled with atk, obv any def% are useless

    • PlusFrame on 15 November 2021 at 6:10 pm
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    Guys guys, what if, Geo Traveler with this sword at R5, equipped with %DEF sand. Could it be better than Festering Desire R5 with %ATK sand in terms of E skill dmg ?

      • xiexie xiao on 16 November 2021 at 1:55 am
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      Dude dont waste your time that free 5 star is NPC

      • RolandLory on 16 November 2021 at 10:00 am
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      Not even close. Traveler have really average DEF, around 700 on level 90, with DEF% sands, this weapon, and maybe some DEF% subtat rolls (you know you can’t run from them) this number would be around 1600. This weapon passive DMG increase is flat and will be around 1300.
      Then Festering Desire. It’s not a flat increase so it’s affecting damage from skill directly. I have really wierd build on my traveller, but with they 1716 ATK and level 13 E skill, “flat” damage of skill is 9043. Festering desire has 32% increase which is alredy 3k dmg. Then put in 45% Energy recharge, and 12% crit rate for E skill, and compare it with 69% DEF, which don’t do a shit for traveler.

      • wdwdwdwawd on 16 November 2021 at 5:34 pm
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      Dude idk what youre thinking right now, but look, Albedo. just Albedo.
      Just do the math, this dude with the new geo defense set (only 2 piece is enough if you want) + This new sword R5 + a nice DEF build for him. theres NO WAY albedo won’t easily reach 3,000 defense, and…like 30k dmg on skill proc? (With zhongli though).

      • Ender on 16 November 2021 at 7:11 pm
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      sounds good, i was thinking the same thing

    • seggsnumber on 15 November 2021 at 2:04 pm
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    nice number on substat

    • Lolz on 14 November 2021 at 11:09 am
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    Wtf

    • Albedo enjoyer on 14 November 2021 at 5:27 am
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    With this you can run triple def% artifacts on albedo with the new set and deal roughly the same amount of damage he does now but without relying on crits. Really good placeholder for any other sword user aswell because it boosts def by a lot and increase damage on skill based on def. There are definitely better 4 star options for other characters but this is free and with x1.5 exp will be very cheap to upgrade, very good weapon overall imo

      • Math on 15 November 2021 at 7:40 am
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      Your math is off. You’ll still need to rely on crits to do the damage. Even with full defense and this buff you’re still not going to hit the big numbers unless you crit

        • LilDragoPlayz on 17 November 2021 at 12:28 pm
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        Exaclty, we saw what happened with Kokomi so CRIT is really essential

        • Leo on 20 November 2021 at 6:23 am
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        Double def piece + Geo dmg is possible

        However , u need high crit rate role + some role in crit dmg + c6 gorou + Zhongli and maybe we will see some big number

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