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1. in some teams, at c6 she can be a bit better than kazu (buff wise, but on the contrary, for grouping she’s totally worse considering overload…)
   hence until c6 she’ll be benched easily for me, at c6 maybe she could work with lyney…

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2. So she can do 40% shred like vv and up to 40% pyro/electro buff, the same as a good 1000 em kazuha. Specific, sure, but since she heals on top of it all, that’s really good role compression in one 4*. And c6 boosts the elemental damage buff even further. All in all she looks like an excellent if niche 4*.

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   • Honestly, it would have been better if she removed the need for Bennett from the team as well.

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     • why would you need Bennett in the team? you can consolidate through another pyro character like ToM or DpS dehya. you could also just use Yoimiya or Yanfei instead of electro main dps, especially because we have more electro off field dps than pyro off field dps.

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       • From the looks of it, she’s going to need an atk buffer in the comp. So that’s either Sara if you’re running electro DPS, or Bennett if Pyro DPS. Tbh I want a viable alternative to Bennett for pyro buffs now.

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3. Just a classic trash 4star, nothing more to say. Besides underlining she’s PYRO and we have.. you know who.
   how ridiculous

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   • honey hunter poster attempts to display triple digit IQ challenge: impossible

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4. In terms of existing characters, I feel there are 3 main DPS characters whom will benefit the most from Chevreuse: Klee, Yoimiya, and Raiden Shogon.

   Klee probably gets the biggest buff (at least relative to her current standing). Klee raw Pyro damage is pretty outstanding, but she is crippled due to her Pryo application being extremely high (and being very clunky to use), making reverse vaporize, forward melt, and burgeon impractical to use. Outside her being used in nuke showcases for other on-fielders, her best practical team is mono-pyro, but Lyney clearly outranks her with that.

   With Chevreuse, Klee will be able take great advantage of the resist shred and attack buffs that Chevreuse will be able to apply. Off-field electro supports will be able to constantly do overload due to Klee’s high pyro application, and the overload reaction itself will give some good additional damage in the team.

   Klee + Chevreuse will probably pair best with Fischl + Beidou in most situations, although a more offensive (but risky) variant would be replacing Beidou with Bennett in order to give a large attack boost to both Klee to Chevreuse. This alternative set up would be less effective against multiple enemies but better against bosses.

   Yoimiya with Chevreuse gives many benefits, the biggest one being that overload gives Yoimiya a form of AOE (one of her biggest issues is that she very single target oriented). The large knockback Overload causes less of an issue for Yoimiya thanks to being ranged.

   Reverse-Vaporize would still be better for single target situations, but Overload makes Yoimiya more well rounded, and the buffs Cheveruse provides makes overload a more viable strategy than in the best.

   I feel Beidou and Yae Miko would be the best partners for Yoimiya and Chevreuse. Beidou provides interruption resistance (and a shield if C1) and some AOE electro damage, while Yae Miko provides even more AOE electro damage with her skill and burst. Fischl could of course be used instead of Fischl (particularly if getting high ER% for Beidou is too difficult) but I feel it’s more important to emphasize AOE in a team like this for Yoimiya.

   For Raiden Shogon, Chevreuse (at C6) is mostly an alternative/sidegrade to Kazuya in the Hyper Carry template (Raiden, Sara and Bennett being core 3). The Chevreuse variant will probably be better against bosses thanks to the additional overload damage, but weaker against mobs thanks to overload knockback and lack of crowd control.

   Overall, I think with Chevreuse, Klee will be clearly better than Diluc and the 4* Main DPS units (Noelle with Furina the only exception) and be around the power level of the “weaker” 5* on-fielders like Keqing, Cyno, and Eula.

   Yoimiya isn’t buffed to the same extent (but she is already noticeably better than Klee), although I suspect Yoimiya will be the most popular character to pair with Chevreuse, especially if Yomiya’s rerun and Chevreuse’s debut are on the same banner.

   For Raiden Shogon, she is already a top tier character but she still will enjoy having another option for folks who like Shogon’s hyper carry team (and maybe free Kazhua to be used on another team).

   Chevreuse will likely replace Charlotte as the best Fontaine 4* character in my eyes.

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5. she’s good but why overload !? 😭

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   • Clorinde might be another stance character like Childe

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6. welp, looks like im having another stupid question:
   as far as i understood her kit, she’s an overload support with healing options, are there any good dps chars she’s compatible with so far?

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   • Due to overload’s knockback, it will be more efficient against bosses so boss killer DPS will enjoy it more (or Yoimiya because she is ranged).
     She replace anemo VV shred (not easy to swirl both pyro and electro outside of Kazuha+Bennett double swirl trick) so you can go either with Pyro onfield DPS and Electro offfieldDPS, or the opposite but Electro onfield DPS usually prefer generaly Dendro support.

     Pyro onfield DPS : Yoimiya, Diluc, HuTao, Klee, Dehya (Emblem+C6Bennett)
     Pyro offfield DPS : Xiangling, Dehya (EM or Golden Troup, but 1 overload per 2.5s), Thomas (but 1overload per 3s)
     Electro onfield DPS : Cyno, Keqing, Raiden Hyper
     Electro offield DPS : Fischl, Beidou, Yae, Raiden EM (but 1 overload per 3s), Shinobu (same), Dori (same, special ICD IIRC)

     CMIIW

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     • iirc aggravate increase is pretty similar to overload dmg, it’s pyro charas who generally prefer hydro to get that x1.5 multiplier if they can get cosistent vapes on stronger hits
       so for pyros only like klee (debatable because of the knockback) and dehya benefit from chev, everyone else is better vaping or if its thoma then burgeon

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       • I’m going to throw Yoimiya in there as well. Might actually find a damage niche where she isn’t just demolished by Hu Tao.

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     • What the hell are you (some guys) barking about?!
       I tried ONCE to clean the abyss with Yanfei (mixed build atk/EM), Fischl, Beidou & Thoma against Coppelia (Cause i had trouble with my Keqing Quicken team without shields/heal)
       And I was surprised to see how much I sh*t on them
       And that with a useless Thoma in the team who provides nothing but pyro reso & particles (not even the shield cause you need the flames to land a hit which wasn’t the case)

       But you guys tell me that a 4* character that can:
       – 40% res shred (with a real fuck*** 100% uptime on both element unlike Kazhua who is way more clunky than people think)
       – 40% Atk buff for 30 sec YES 30 sec
       – heal
       – isn’t circle impact
       – all of that at C0 YES C0
       – without including potential artifact or weapon buffs
       Is F**** BAD???!!!
       Do you guys plan to solo abyss with her, without artifacts or/and playing with your ass???

       Even her constellations are not mandatory
       There’s just C4, which is quite important for playing her as a DPS
       Or C6 which is pretty strong
       (Yeah, like every C6 in the game, people should start to understand after 3 years, but at least she is perfectly playable and seems to have a complete kit even without them, unlike a certain Madame)

       Yes, overload might be one of the worst reaction but It isn’t that bad if you use proper team
       The “flying enemies problem”and “no group problem” are both fake problems/skill/artifact issues cause I don’t know for you guys, but for me, floors with bunch of small enemies was allways the easiest floors since everything is easily oneshotable anyway

       As you see it, she is niche
       As I see it, she opens team
       We are not the same

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       • they cant think outside of the meta, thats why

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   • Yoimiya… and probably Lyney, Clorinde and Cyno

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     • Not Cyno, his best teams are still dendro focused
       Raiden will also work

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     • we don’t know clorinde’s kit yet, people used to say the hp claymore was going to be for navia and look how that turned out. stop believing speculations

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       • It was whiteblind right?
         We’ve seen clorinde with iron sting and considering the state of electro it’s reasonable.
         We can’t speculate what she’ll scale off of but it’s most likely attack honestly, either way she’s still probably gonna prioritise EM and then be a probable keqing replacement if she keeps the trend of fontaine characters being good dps wise.

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   • 4 off the top of my head:
     Raiden (sidegrade to typical hyper Raiden with Kazuha),
     Yoimiya (provides AoE and ranged attacks better handle overload; Beidou for IR),
     Klee (hakuna matata about pyro application; high raw dps, plus already tons of stagger on heavy ST enemies),
     Dehya (given another rbatterythrough C1 Chevreuse, has off field pyro app, lunging punches in her burst, and gives IR for those who need).

     pretty much a higher ratio of pyro on fielders for chevreuse to electro on fielders, but higher ratio of electro off fielders for Chevreuse (Kuki, Yae, Fischl, Beidou, Sara) compared to off field (Xiangling, Dehya, Thoma).

     Yoimiya and Klee should be easier to use thanks to Chevreuse and no overloaded problems. you can basically get VV shred while maintaining the IR provided by Beidou.

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7. I was hella excited when I heard Chevruse was an overload support since my main team is Klee, Zhongli, Kazuha, & Kuki and before u criticize it has my fav characters and I built all of them so its one of my most powerful team and you can see that it’s an overload team and was ready to replace Zhongli if needed but then I saw that her overload supportive abilities only applies when the team only have pyro & electro which was ehh but I realized that she has basically no other support capabilities for overload besides her c6 (if there are then tell me) and I used all my primos on Furina’s banner (and lost the 50/50) so there is no way I’m getting c6 and her healing is kinda useless since kuki is there with great heals while doing good overload damage (around 12k). “just replace kazuha with someone like fischl” in the team Kazuha is very important cause he groups enemies, shreds resistance, and also groups klees bombs which can proc overload. this team feels very clunky without kazuha and no other character who is pyro or electro can provide that utility. “So why are u complaining about Chevreuse not being good when shes just a 4 star who has a niche?” cause her limitations make her a less useful character for overload and when hoyoverse finally gives something to overload they make her very limited for most teams but tbf her buff is good. (ahem mika is also bad at his niche) so chevreuse seems like a good character to be left lvl 20 in my inventory left to collect dust with no artifacts & beginner’s protector

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   • About Kazuha res shred, Chevreuse shred both electro and pyro when for Kazuha is harder to shred both without Bennett. But yes, Kazuha is an awesome grouper so it makes the difference. (+ his dmg buff vs non-C6 Chevreuse)

     I think the purpose of Chevreuse (alongside her overload supporting) is either to deal some burst damage (in Bennett’s burst to get buffed + have good multipliers in both skill and burst) with crit build, either to replace Bennett because she heals and give some atk% buff when played max HP. She won’t be gamebreaking but she will open some team comp. And it’s nice. With her in an overload team against single target boss, you can keep Kazuha for another team dealing with multitarget.

     If I can get her, I’ll build her and play her, at least with Yoimiya + Electro flex =)

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   • pretty much Overload is meant for ranged units that can squeeze the juice out of this like Yoimiya or Yae, and that Chevruse is meant to be the fitting support for Clorinde like Gorou is Itto’s and Kujou Sara is Raiden’s

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   • well well well. her burst causes implosion meaning it ows.enemies up towards her. same for her C2.

     Chevreuse also doesn’t need to be AoE locked or on field to res shred. plus enemies that are to get knocked back by overload will die fairly quickly like from Yoimiya.

     and other enemies nowadays aren’t that prone to knockback. there are wremite soldiers that are but they die quickly, but as for Fontaine enemies, its only the wind/frost operatives. every other enemy there aren’t so easily staggered.

     plus she gives an atk buff to the team which is not really something you see of atk buffs. you would basically use the overload team anywhere where bosses are.

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8. So she’s an atk scaler that heals one (1) active party member at a time based on her hp and her passive that buffs atk of specifically pyro/electro characters wants her to have 40k hp.
   Is this a joke? If you build her 40k hp, she will do 0 damage and be a waste of field time. If you build her atk, she will still not do significant damage and she will not heal or buff much.
   STOP MAKING SPLIT SCALING 4 STARS, HOYO. THEY ARE AWFUL.

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   • From what I got from her kit, she looks like an attempt to give us a Kazuha alternative for hyper-carry Raiden teams. As she would be paired with Bennett, that kinda helps with the ATK problem. And as she buffs elemental dmg, it solves not having a pyro goblet. I still think they did a trash job by designing the scaling. If the idea was to limit her personal damage with ATK scaling, I think she should have had something similar to Nahida mixed scaling, making her skill and burst do ATK% + HP% dmg. Or maybe making her ATK buffing to be 1.5/2% for her and 1% for the other characters so she would actually have ATK for herself. Or maybe if she worked with Geo and Dendro characters, giving us access to Archaic Zhongli and Burning Nahida while excluding the meta vape and bloom comps.

     But like, hoyo doesn’t want to power-creep the 1.0 characters. Like, if they added HP scaling to C6 Dori, right now she would have a niche on meta alongside Furina, but they messed up by making her ATK her only source of dmg while she heals by hp.

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     • I’ll be pairing her with Dehya over Bennett tbh, but only because I’ll exclusively use her with Raiden and Sara instead, no point using her otherwise imo. To be honest, it would have been better if she worked the same as she currently does with all pyro reaction comps (Hydro/Pyro, Cryo/Pyro etc), not just Pyro/Electro. It would keep her in a niche, but allows some possible flexibility in her comps. But alas, that would be too powerful apparently. They could have given her good off-field pyro application to make up for the lack of damage potential instead, but they obviously don’t intend to ever replace Xiangling. I hope I’m wrong, but I have zero faith we’ll ever get good pyro 4* units in the future.

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   • “if you build her atk, she will still NOT DO SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE” ok? so then shes hp scaling? how can it be split scaling if she isnt gonna do damage even if i scale her atk?? focus hp scaling if youre so sure atk scaling wont work. quit blaming it on “split scaling” and deal with the fact that she has versatility.

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     • She’s the furthest thing from versatile lmao. Put her outside of her (clues in the name) niche and she’s useless. The only thing she’s got going for her outside of her niche is her healing, but it’s vastly inferior than Bennett with no other utility.

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       • my point still stands. if you think she cant do dmg, thats your opinion. go scale hp then. i think if you build her right, she will be great both ways. yall rather complain before she even releases rather than try to understand the kit and build her accordingly. dehya got the same treatment. i say prep for her, pull her, build her, use her, THEN give an opinion. ive watched alot of people change their views on dehya just weeks after her release, this will be the same for chevreuse i guarantee.

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         • Using Dehya undermines your point entirely. She was (and still is) the worst unit in this game by far. It took until Furina for her to become a valuable unit. But Chevvy is not a DPS, so I don’t expect her to do damage at all. So stop pretending I said she does/doesn’t. All I said is she isn’t versatile. If you don’t like that fact, not my problem.

       • I wouldn’t call it inferior since her healing is potable, and her atk buff isn’t just for the active character. when your whole team are dpses, better to distribute an atk buff among the team rather than center it on the active character. plus Chevreuse’s team member choices are pretty much lined up to be dpses. Thoma’s likely gonna be built EM in such team, Dehya as a light uptime dps, but your electro characters are pretty dpsified- Beidou, Fischl, Raiden, Yae Miko, even EM kuki.

         additionally, she res shreds. she is a 2-in-1 character, combining Kazuha and Bennett, except without Kazuha buff until C6. and Hoyo likely balanced her out where she won’t buff like base atk, but off the stat she heals off of, that being HP, so it’s like if Bennett was made in 3.x and was fused with VV set.

         cool thing about Chev, she has longer uptime than Bennett, so longer rotations of character are better compensated. plus she doesn’t infuse self with pyro, which absolutely sucks against Coppelius. that freak of a boss hits hard af when it gets to melt.

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         • I agree, she’ll be great in her niche and I’m looking forward to using her if I get her. But I have to clarify, I never said it was inferior in the teams she is part. I stated it’s inferior outside of her niche, except maybe for Furina teams.

         • MasteroftheObvious, if i take kokomi away from her niche and focus atk and crit do you think she would be good?? of course not! if you take any character away from their niche they wont be good. all this complaining you are doing about split scaling and no versatility just proves that she isnt in fact a split scaling character and she’s meant for hp/support. exactly what i’ve been saying, you complain about something that was false and i tried to point you in the right direction, but you ignore my advice and continued to argue things that contradicted your own argument. so your opinion is yours and mine is mine, good luck to you and hopefully your chevvy will be as good as mine ;D

   • Just run her with Bennett and Kazuha if you want her to do good personal damage. Otherwise just run her with Xiangling, Bennett and Raiden and have her be carried by the first two lmao. God knows we’ll never get good Pyro 4 stars anytime soon anyway.

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   • Pretty much she is supposed to be run with Thoma or Dehya, given how they give RTI and reduce DMG taken, and Fischl or Beidou, given how good sub DPS they are. Issue would be if this gimmick can outmatch or keep the pace of Yoimiya Vape and Cyno Hyperbloom

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   • why not build her hybrid or in a dps set? so HP, pyro, crit, and to get more HP for the buffs, you’d use Rightful Reward.

     I think Thundering Fury would be an interesting choice on her for dps. just overload spamming.

     also, 2pc HP, 2pc ATK.

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   • Every character should have split scaling.
     When they don’t, you’re not making the decision, the game is.

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     • I’m sure Xinyan is smiling at you from the bench for that comment.

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9. thank goodness a horrible 4star unit, i was tired of benney in every team

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   • Honestly, I wish she wasn’t so niche, might have been worth getting. But alas, gone are the days where we get good 4* units, ESPECIALLY Pyro.

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10. I kinda wish she worked with geo (iirc she’s on navias banner so…) like make pyro/electro crystallize shards give her her overcharge shot and make her pyro/electro shred passive work with geo characters in the party. though maybe not shred geo res as well cause buffing 3 elements as a 4 star seems a bit much

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    • We don’t know which banner she is running on, just that it’s 4.3. She is probably going to run with Yoimya and Raiden.

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    • she is most likely to run with Yoimiya and Raiden given her mechanics

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