967 responses to “Navia”

1. You’re all dum, Just play

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2. I plan on at least pulling for her, and the current teams I’m thinking of is, a Noelle Navia Furina Yelan team (quick swap between Noelle and Navia). the problem is weapon I was thinking of giving her is Unforged (I don’t even know why I have it), which only really works for on field Navia (ult -> E -> N1 might full stack while still on field actually? then swap back for 2nd E with passive?, which means like E->Q->2N noelle and swap back so the passive doesn’t go away?), and maybe a 2nd team with on field Navia which would be Navia Zhongli + 2 fill. the new artifact set is my best bet isn’t it :(. GT will be fine? and hunter won’t work as the onfield team is without Furina, and I guess I could farm petra, but IIRC it doesnt’ work unless I have Yelan pick up the cristalize’s which isn’t gonna happen. Am I stuck with Overlord and echoing woods? Is sac better? or should I take thresher R3 off Noelle (don’t ask), would that legit be better for the 88% crit damage (and Noelle gets Fav)? I only have 113 pulls so no I’m not going for Verdict

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3. I can’t decide if I want to go for Navia C1 or C0 and her weapon. C1 means I give her Sac GS R5 and never have to worry about energy at all bc she’ll have 3 charges of her E and generate up to 27 energy on top of whatever her skill normally generates, but I’d have to build all the damage on her artifacts myself. If I went for her weapon that’s 22% CR I don’t have to worry about on top of one of the strongest claymores in the game so I can easily output a lot of damage, but I would then have to balance ER when artifact farming. …typing it out helped. I’m not super into meta hunting so I’m going for ease of use with her C1.

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   • Verdict (Navia’s signature) will be paired with Ayaka’s signature Mistsplitter Reforged. The latter being one of the best swords in the game.

     Because of this, I would strongly consider gambling on the weapon banner because I think Verdict is more valuable as an upgrade compared to Navia’s C1, and if Mistsplitter is pulled it can be given to almost any sword user and they will be able to make good use out of it.

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4. Navia is now a week away from release. While I was hesitant before, now I feel that she will indisputably be the best Geo Main DPS in the game upon her release. I still have a lot of questions on how the damage on her skill is calculated and we probably won’t find out for sure until she is officially released. But the damage it can do is likely to be quite high.

   Despite being Geo being the worst element in the game, Navia’s raw damage may be high enough that she could be considered a top tier character. I personally consider 5 characters to be top tier main DPS units, in this order: Neuvillette, Alhaitham, Hu Tao, Ayaka, and C2 Raiden Shogun. Navia is probably either slightly better or slightly worse than C2 Raiden, depending on how Navia’s elemental skill damage is calculated.

   I also heard discussion about Navia being a good sub DPS when using the Archaic Petra set. The main issue I have with Navia as a sub DPS is that enabling or setting up for reactions is a important function of an sub DPS (even more than simply raw damage). Crystalize is a bad reaction and I don’t think Navia’s raw damage is able to make up for it in a Sub DPS role. The elemental bonus from the Archaic Petra is nice, but the elemental resist shred from Anemo units using VV is much more valuable in terms of minimizing diminishing returns. Navia also doesn’t offer any form of support for her teammates (outside of Geo resistance shred on her C4).

   The only character that I think could make good use of Navia as a Sub DPS is Neuvillette since he needs elemental reactions primary to boost his enhanced charged attack directly. The elemental reactions themselves are not as important. Navia’s burst will make it easy for her to trigger crystalize off field and she can use her hold skill to suck the shards in, giving Neuvillette a quick Draconic stack and hydro elemental damage boost from the Petra set.

   It will be fun to see how players make use out of Navia when she releases next week.

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   • i think someone forgot itto when saying best geo main dps

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     • I expect Navia to replace Itto as the best Geo Main DPS upon her release. Navia’s biggest advantage is team flexibility, since she only needs to be paired with one other Geo Unit (and she could use several for that role, including Geo Traveler, who I feel is 2nd only to Zhong Li for that spot) to unlock Geo Resonance. Her other two teammates just need to be a pyro, cryo, electro or hydro unit so Navia can get her free 40% damage damage bonus. Itto needs to be paired with Gorou, and works best in Triple or Quad geo teams.

       Navia being attack scaling means she can take better advantage of all of the ways to buff the attack stat (Bennett, Thrilling Tales, etc.) and her more front loaded damage will likely be more useful in general compared to Itto’s more sustained damage.

       Itto is still a great main DPS unit, and I think for anyone who already has a well invested Itto (or Noelle for that matter) doesn’t really need to pull for Navia (it would be better to go for main DPS of a different element). The gap isn’t as big between Itto and Navia as it is for example Hu Tao and Diluc.

       However for anyone who does not have Itto, Navia will likely end up being the superior choice to pull and develop, as a geo main dps.

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     • i think someone forgot Noelle when saying best geo main dps

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     • Not only Hoyo didnt add muscles to itto. He lost his best Geo DPS when Navia gets released.

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   • It’s good to see some optimism towards Navia. When considering geo main dps, we cannot overlook the elephant in the room.. Itto. However Itto is forever stuck with Gorou, so you take up 2 slots just to play him. That aside, we can consider Navia as the best unrestricted geo main dps, since she can run as a solo geo with other elements.
     Geo resonance is also the strongest party buff to have on a team, and Navia will receive the most of it. An option for geo resonance is the mono geo comp with Itto as the core. Double geo teams are really under represented, with current options Zhongli-Albedo with highest usage. However Albedo has a fatal flaw of doing no dmg against pure shields. Thus Navia is expected to perform very well in this niche, which is flexible to take 2 other elements.

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   • noelle with the same build as itto eats itto for lunch now with yelan furina combo. Mono geo was is will be dead

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5. Maybe the real Genshin was the Impact we made along the way

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   • Syno, that you?

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6. they could just make geo abyss mages and lecters if they wanted us to play geo , they didn’t think about it yet ? weird

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   • If geo mages and lectors shields are to be the same as a geo slime, all they have to do is use a claymore character or just put Zhongli in the team. Geo would still be dead

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7. Any leaks about which 4-stars are in her banner?

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8. last rizzmas i gave you my gyatt but the very next day you got fanum taxed

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   • Navia darling, please shoot this person with your cannons. Thanks hun!

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   • this year, to save you from skibidi, i’ll give it to someone siiiigmaaa

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   • children these days…

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9. Oh, also should mention that I forgot about Song of Broken Pines and Calamity Queller – Navia’s weapon will be tied for second highest base attack, not highest.

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   • And that is important because…? A lot of weapons have the same base atk as her sig weapon. After all, there are only 4 different possibilities for base attack on a 5* weapon.

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10. Lmao people think this is weak? Do y’all not do math? That elemental skill with 6 stacks is a 2060.856% Atk ratio on a 9 second cooldown, and it has 2 charges. Even with only 3 stacks it’s a 1421% Atk ratio. For reference, the initial damage from Raiden Shogun’s burst with 60 stacks is 1141%. Navia gets CD substat and 40% Attack passive. She will surpass Xiao as the highest base attack stat character in the game. Add in her weapon, and that’s a CR substat + tied for the highest base attack weapons in the game, with a passive that gives another 20% attack and 36% skill damage bonus for an easily maintainable condition.

    She’s not gonna change the way crystallize works, and Geo is still going to suffer from being the only element that doesn’t have offense-based reactions – but even with that, her kit is set up to hit like a fucking truck. If you wanna complain about them not actually fixing Geo, by all means go ahead, but Navia’s kit in itself is very strong.

    Comparing her to Dehya is especially laughable when Dehya’s E collectively only does about ~900% Atk on a 20s cooldown with no offensive buffs outside her weapon

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    • Yep Navia kit is very strong. But people focus too much on team synergy and pulling for characters that would boost their main char.

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    • Are you sure the 45% dmg bonus applies after the dmg bonus from the shards, and not to its base dmg? The latter would make more sense, but I haven’t read any TC about it.

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      • I can’t guarantee anything before testing with how bad they are at consistent phrasing and distinguishing different forms of damage increase. I am assuming the part about it doing 200% damage at 11 shots to mean that the base damage is initially inflicted by the first shot while subsequent shots on the same target apply an additional 10% of the base damage. Even in this regard their phrasing is weird since it doesn’t clarify that subsequent shots do less damage and in fact makes it sound like they should do more, but this is the only way it makes sense since otherwise she would be doing 7800%+ with 11 shots and that would be beyond absurd. So I’m just taking the simplest part and going by 200% of 710% for 1420% in that regard.
        Now one possibility I’m realizing is that the multiple shots may not actually do multiple instances of damage and are actually just for flavor as a damage enhancement, but that would make the description pretty dumb – Like, why tell us it’s firing off 11 shots instead of 5 if that’s just a way of applying a damage boost, but then tell us that stacks past 3 apply a damage boost instead of additional shots? And the statement of “multiple shots that hit the same target” implies it’s possible for some hits to land and not others, which wouldn’t align with the idea that it’s all one instance of damage. Ofc, bad skill descriptions would be nothing new, so I won’t be surprised if I’m wrong – but for now I can only assume according to what it says.

        If it actually is multiple instances of damage then the 45% should for sure apply to the whole thing, since it’s simply a damage boost whereas the 1420% would essentially be its own base damage value spread across 11 shots. But if it’s 45% on top of 100% from shots, then you’re looking at 1740% for 6 stacks which is still strong. The worst case scenario is that the 45% damage increase is actually a damage boost that stacks additively with elemental skill bonus, geo bonus, etc but I definitely don’t think that’s the case with the phrasing here. If anyone has specific info to confirm or deny anything from what I said I’d love to know so I can tighten the calcs a bit, but this skill is already strong under a worst case scenario. My only other concern is how consistently she’ll be able to make all 11 shots land if that’s a potential issue.

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      • just go and watch TGS or zajeff77 this idiot is wrong.

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        • Nice smartass comment but I checked Zajeff77 and he literally said he’s not sure how the additional shots work either, he has no idea if it’s 100% base damage for 1 shot and 10% damage for subsequent shots or 100% damage for 5 shots and 16.67% for the remaining 6, and he also didn’t comment on if the 15% per additional stack would be additive to the total or multiplicative. So all we have is speculation within a certain range of effectiveness. Thanks for putting me onto a good content creator tho, he seems to like doing the same types of damage calc theorizing I’m into. And it’s even funnier that you’d call me an idiot for my comment and then recommend a youtuber who said the same thing I did, which is that the skill does big damage.

          Anyway, I’m coming back to this now to say it’s possible the additional shots aren’t considered to be additional/separate instances of damage which I hadn’t considered before, in which case the 45% could be stacking additively with the 100% increase to damage, i.e. 200%*+ 45% = 245% damage total instead of 200%*1.45 = 290% damage total. That would seem a bit odd to me since the possibility of the shots missing would indicate to me that they apply separately and only the first one does full damage, but I can’t pretend to know exactly how it works until we at least see a clip with damage numbers. It’s entirely possible that it calculates how many shots hit each target altogether before it applies any damage.

          Either way this changes very little. If it’s 245% damage total at max stacks, that’s 1740% Atk ratio instead of 2060% which does not drastically change my original point of the damage ratio being REALLY high for a 9 second cooldown on a character with a solid array of damage buffs/stats.

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          • Great news: She’s out now and I was right. It’s 45% of 200% for a total of 290% base damage.

            Haven’t invested in her yet, removed most artifacts for easy damage testing.

            0 charges:
            1 hit = 4440
            2 hits = 4662, 105% base damage
            3 hits = 4884, 110% base damage
            4 hits = 5106, 115% base damage
            5 hits = 5328, 120% base damage
            1 shot does 100% base damage, shots 2-5 add exactly 5% base damage each

            1 charge:
            7 hits = 6216, 140% base damage, 20% base damage advantage over 5 hits
            Shots 6-7 likely add exactly 10% base damage each

            2 charges:
            9 hits = 7397, 166.6% base damage, 26.66% base damage advantage over 7 hits
            Shots 8-9 either add different values, or add 13.33% each

            3 charges:
            10 hits = 8506, 1.91576577% base damage
            11 shots = 8880, 200% base damage
            I only saw the 10-shot value once during testing because it’s very difficult to land exactly 10 shots so it may be unreliable, but if accurate, the intent is likely to make the 3rd charge have a noticeable difference while not requiring you to land EVERY hit to feel that difference

            6 charges:
            11 shots = 12876, 290% base damage
            So with a level 10 skill, at 6 stacks she will do about 2060% damage.

        • Even Zajef is coping on sacrificial greatsword. Navia’s kit has so many variables with the charges and playstyle that sheet dps is hardly applicable to actual dmg. He even openly admits he might be wrong on many fronts when she gets released.

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    • When 2 gunbrella shots with 6 charges has the same MV as Ayaka’s burst, which is pretty consistant in an 18s normal rotation..

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    • Downside of her being a geo is it can not be swirled/no support that does similar like kazuha/anemo vv wielders for other elements, it also has no dmg amplifying reactions like melt/vape/dendro.

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      • Although, geo resonance being like 2nd best resonance in the game and it gives a geo res shred. Combined with Zhongli and you got as much geo res shred as VV can provide. Some other reactions dont get dmg amplification either like burgeon, freeze, overloaded, or electro charged. Yet taser is good, primarily being carried by VV and use of anemo unit for getting as much AoE out of it as possible.

        Possible upside is its effectiveness on element applied enemies so Thundersoothers, Lavawalkers, and Blizzard Strayer still lets geo get a kick out of it since it is hardly capable of stripping away those elemental auras when your pyro, cryo, or electro characters apply a ton of their element.
        Outside of mono-elemental teams, Thundersoothers and Lavawalkers would just be viable for burning, aggravate, and double geo in respect to applicable artifact set. Reason why double geo is because geo is handicapped on triggering elemental reactions against pyro due to the fixed global 1s ICD on crystallized, thus a pyro or electro aura stays on those enemies. Where Lavawalker falls short is when the pyro characters can freely vape, melt, or overload. Where Thundersoothers fall short is when electro characters can freely electro charge, superconduct, or aggravate, plus a crystallized shard corresponding to enemy element turns that shard durable since 250% effectiveness is at play.

        I’d think that a character and team archetype in favor of thundersoothers or Lavawalkers would favor either geo or anemo. A burning team archetype would find geo a lot more favorable since pyro crystallized shield will absorb burning damage quite effectively.

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        • That is an interesting point about Thundersoothers and Lavawalkers. It’s true that consistent elemental application without causing any reaction would benefit geo. The problem is that most players who want to maximize their damage, will always consider what kind of reactions they can reliably cause. That’s part of the reason why people think Dehya is so bad. She doesn’t have access to melt or vape reliably. The only thing she can do is Burning or Overload, which generally aren’t seen as being very good (though overload may change with Chevy being added). Same goes for Electro as well. They pretty much have to be able to function in some sort of dendro reaction or taser. Overload and Superconduct are the odd ones out in this case.

          The point is that reactions that either boost your damage or cause some kind of supplemental damage will always be better. Geo doesn’t have access to anything like that so they must rely on the strength of their kit alone. Personally I think they either need to add different reactions for geo, like Geo+Pyro= an exploding rock or Geo+Cryo= an iceberg that deals more damage when shattered or change the way crystallize behaves to add some kind of damage part to it. As it stands, every element has multiple interactions with other elements. The only reason anemo is good is because of VV. Nobody would bother with anemo if that set wasn’t in the game. I would never run a double geo team with another element if it meant that I was losing damage by not having access to vape or melt or aggravate or whatever.

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      • On situations where Kazuha fails (Forced to swirl the element of an abyss shielder), the Geo teams will thrive. Always has been the advantage of Zhongli Geo teams since his release.

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    • Navia will be plenty strong but its up in the air until release how her skill dmg is calculated with the doubled original damage. It’s likely that the original damage is evaluated as the total damage originally from all the shots, and the dmg dealt when being 200% of original is based off that original amount.
      It’s suggested that the rosula shardshots aren’t calculated individually but uses a hitscan technique to calculate how many hits the opponent to calculate the full damage.

      She will definitely not be Dehya level. Several people have done C0 calcs and it looks like she’ll do 350k to 400k within a Bennett team. Possibly 420k in Bennett-Furina teams.

      Nevertheless, she will be the most flexible geo dps we have. You could say the same for Noelle, but Noelle’s archetypes aren’t as various since it’s either hyperbloom, Wet rock w/ Furina, mono hydro, or mono geo with Furina; yet Navia can be solo geo in several teams, be a hypercarry, be the second geo in Wet Rock, play in Naviational, Navia-Furinational, double cryo, double electro, double hydro, double pyro, etc. Despite how poor crystallized is as a reaction, just being non-def scaler makes Navia more flexible since def buffs are limited to Gorou. Navia could really settle for a flexible number of teams and her geo teammates are flexible as well: Geo Traveler, Zhongli, Ningguang, Albedo, Noelle.

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