1,913 responses to “Фурина”

1. I have a question… With the recent changes, his ult last 18 seconds and has CF of 15.
   The thing is, if furina uses his ulti again before his first ult ends, she will keep the fanfare? Or it reset when casting a ult

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   • Better to ask once she hits live

     It’d be far more likely that the Fanfare stacks reset every time like Yelan’s stacking damage buff does, if for no other reason than to sell C1 + C2 as being worth getting for more than just the maximum Fanfare stack increase

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   • at the moment we don’t know or have any confirmation.
     and we can’t trust hoyo skill description that much either. so even if it doesn’t say that fanfare point will reset, it might just reset.
     people lean to think it would probably reset to sell her c2.

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   • It should reset, otherwise any constellation that make her get fanfare faster would be useless since you will be always at max on second rotation, there would be no need for fontaine characters to help her get fanfare faster

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   • The description says “when the duration ends, Furina’s Fanfare points will be cleared”. So the assumption is as long as you can keep the burst going then the points will stay. However, this still needs to be confirmed.

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   • I wouldn’t count on it not resetting, if only to increase the value C1 and C2 would bring

     Best to just wait until she hits live then ask again then

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   • Are you dumb dude? It’s a girl, not a guy

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     • Don’t be rude, maybe OP isn’t native speaker…

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2. In my opinion, the main problem with Furina is her utterly terrible Pneuma stance, it’s just a single target on-field heal, nothing more nothing less. Every Fontaine character up to now consume their HP but also regain by the same amount but Furina is much more reckless, she takes HP for her DMG and heal back in the cost of your character field time and her hydro application. If her Pneuma stance is so horrible then what’s the point of having it in her skill? You will need to bring another healer in your team to keep her skill functional anyway. At least fix her Pneuma stance like “Heal your active character by X% and all party members by 50% of such amount”, no hydro application needed cause it will step on Kokomi’s toe. Also rework the A1 passive please for god’s sake, either help other characters regain the HP lost via using Pneuma stance or something else, it’s just too bad to be an Archon.

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   • Her HP drain is exactly what makes her strong, and making it more aggressive was fantastic, since she needs characters to lose HP in order to gain Fanfare stacks either during the drain or in the subsequent/concurrent heal cycles.

     There are plenty of options to fill in the role of healer, including 2 Anemo healers (can use 4 PC VV).

     Also, if she switches to Pneuma, she can’t drain any HP, effectively halving or even halting the effectiveness of Fanfare stacking.

     In short, why bother if an undesired stance isn’t buffed? It’s useless in combat, anyways.

     But answering your question: “Why does she have a Pneuma Arkhe if it’s mostly useless?”

     Because:
     *She’s the Hydro Archon… Or is supposed to be; If some characters are meant to have both Arkhes, she’s one of them; If only one is meant to have it, she’s this one.
     *Ez Lazy PneumOusia puzzle solving toy for people to play with.
     *She can heal her party members outside of combat; None of the Anemo healers can heal without usage of their Elemental Burst or otherwise hitting enemies. This is obviously undesired unless party members drop their HP below 50%, but yeah… Has its niche uses.

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     • This will heavily limit her team comps you know, there aren’t many team wide healers in the game and in a different element other than Hydro (including the upcoming character: Sigewinne). We don’t roll a character only for explorations and puzzle but mainly for the Abyss. And Pneuma stance healing should not be a bonus, she’s the Archon of a nation with HP fluxation, it’s not “unga-bunga” that she’s terrible at this regard.
       Having said all that, I’m gonna cry using Furina with those Consecrated Beasts when they come back in the Abyss. If they don’t make some changes to her Pneuma stance of course.

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       • Against ConsacBeasts : Best way is to use damage mitigation mecanic =)

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       • Actually, I DO wish for characters exclusively for overworld. I’ve pulled Wanderer and Kirara just for their traversal benefits.

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   • I see more Pneuma stance as a bonus.

     It’s here so she can rules Pneumousia (because she is Fountain archon and have to rules Fontaine mecanics) and it’s here because of potential complainers “OMG Hydro Archon can’t heal when hydro is the element of healing ???”. Plus, it’s a confort in overworld to have a damage dealer who can emergency heal between or during fight, even more if it works in coop.

     Her kit revolves around Ousia stance and burst anyway.

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   • the pneuma thing sholud explode and heal the party based on her hp + fanfare, this way you use it at the end of your rotation and start over, but then she will be to op

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     • Hoshikami, that’s exactly what i meant. She needs some sort of refill to other characters who has their hp drained. Only by 50% of the drained amount would do. There aren’t that many team wide healer that’s fits her, best choices are Baizhu, Jean and Qiqi. So as i said, you’ll need a healer anyways, making her Pneuma stance is just plain and for the most time – useless.
       Why won’t we make her an Archon level character? Fischl has Oz with insane elemental application, Furina’s ICD is only at average, better give her skill a bit more versatile roles, don’t you think?

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       • Well, Hoyo doesn’t want to repeat the whole Nahida case again, since Nahida completely blew every other dendro out of the water for the feature most important to players which is dendro application. That feature is just as much important for hydro, but we already have so many, so instead, Furina is designed to not fulfill the same roles but to dig out her own role which is to powercreep Mona and and have smart AI pets rather than stationary hydro app.

         And it makes sense that her pneuma side wouldn’t be all that practical since she was never intended to powercreep Kokomi, but rather she played alongside her. Kokomi already ogt powercrept by the water-walking on Furina, so leave it at that. Maybe if Furina’s pneuma side could at least provide more energy than her ousia side, a balance could be found there.
         So with ousia stance, Furina’s hydro particles is 8 across 20s, but with her pneuma stance, she would get a flat amount of energy in a shorter amount of time. So it could be done to where every 3 seconds pneuma-stance summon is on the field, Furina gets 5 energy, maximum of 15 gained that way.

         Overall, Furina’s pneuma stance should have leverage in the energy regen capacity, whereas Furina’s ousia stance will have leverage in the damage, hydro app, and Fanfare stacking capacity. So in practice, swapping between characters to heal, you also extend the time Furina has to absorb energy off-field. So it ends up having a purpose to use Furina for her healing since she can gain a flat amount of energy while off-field.

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3. so c4 is her answer for her ER problem? damn
   I think she still needs too much er, how is her particle generation?

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   • Not particularly good, 7 particles in 20s I think?
     But 60 burst and 18s burst duration means her energy issues aren’t too bad anymore, maybe 180 in solo hydro (as long as you have decent particle generation from Fischl or fav)

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4. My girl’s gonna ask u guys:
   Hey, Hu Tao mains, Alhaitham mains and Nilou mains, do ur mains get better with Furina? Have u TCed the synergies between her and ur mains? R the result fruitful?

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   • cyno mains in the corner

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   • Not a true HT/Al/Nilou main, but I do know my way around some tc, so I went searching through some places and here’s my findings:

     And yes, i was bored 🙁

     Hu Tao: Somewhat mixed opinions since there’s some HP threshold conflicting between the two but common word is Multi Hydro is the way to go since Furina has slow Hydro app by herself. Likely warrants a healer to gain more stacks, I saw some say Instructor Baizhu, Healing Build Mona, or even Bennett. Overall looks like a good pairing. Seems some are willing to let HuTao’s Below HP thing go in exchange for the other boosts.

     Side note: Kinda hoping Sigewinne has some synergy with Hu-Furina, she’s got healer written all over her.

     Alhaitham: Seems… pretty good for Quickbloom, though the bloom part will likely be left behind since Furina will only trigger a bloom core once every 5 years. Solid buff to Al + Any SubDPS thats present, and there’s some nice healer options available for that archetype if maximizing stack count. There’s some debate on whether the DMG buffs are worth it compared to the utility of other units though. Plus, some are wary of swapping his common comps around to accommodate her. For example, some dont want to replace Nahida for Baizhu since she’s a very common SubDPS option and a more consistent Deepwood applier. Putting P.Amber on Nahida would sacrifice her own damage too. Has potential, but maybe not gamechanging potential.

     Side-note, gotta say it’s a shame Kuki and Dori don’t have party-wide heals, sorta pushes them to the side then Furina and/or corrosion comes around.

     Nilou: Kinda wonky, her damage boost won’t always have a benefit and her Hydro application is quite slow (Not sure about the consensus on Full EM Furina Bloom Trigger, but if no nobody is talking about it it’s probably not worth mentioning). However, her healing bonus (or incoming healing bonus, whatever really) is welcome for assisting Koko/Baizhu/etc in keeping people alive. Kind getting Neuvillette vibes, where it’s like taking a unit out of their natural habitat to play with Nilou.

     Side note, you dont see too much talk about Furina on the Nilou reddit lately, at least compared to the other mains subreddits. Maybe I didn’t look hard enough?

     Once more, not a proper main for any of them so my word may not mean much, though I did make sure to avoid the more outdated takes (pre-beta buff specific issues). Hope it helps!

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     • Is it safe to conclude that as of now, Alhaitham and prob Xiao get the most benefit out of pre 4.0 dps? The Alhaitham-Furina synergy u have displayed here seems even more promising than my girl’s one

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       • I suppose so, though keep in mind her benefits in Xiao’s team are a bit wasted due to Xiao drowning in DMG%. Her role as an off-field DPS is welcome though, and Jean (or Sayu I suppose) can counter the HP drain sufficiently.

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       • I believe XIao, Cyno, and Noelle get the most benefit of the pre-4.0 dps. Noelle herself accomodates 3 valuable roles in Furina teams- healer (attacks while shielded), DPS (a healer driver with decent dps and large AoE), and a shielder (being pushed to 50% can be life threatening since you can no longer shrug off landed hits).

         Xiao already has a healer for a battery and that is Jean. You add in Bennett and you get more atk, plus Sunfire Jean letting Furina do forward vapes, and Furina giving dmg bonus. With so much dmg bonuses directed to Xiao, would it be safe to give him an ER sands and an ATK goblet instead of anemo? Like, when the team already has effective healing, you can use all that dmg bonus as substittue for elemental dmg goblets.

         Cyno also gets major benefit since he is a quickbloom king of the electro element, and he will still get aggravates, but a larger hyperbloom hit than Keqing. And CYno already loves to use Baizhu, who I suggest is greater than Yaoyao for these teams. With Furina being mono-hydro, you might as well have Fischl as the last party member since she gives a lot of particles and electro resonance carries as well.

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   • Nilou Main – Hydro trigger : She won’t be better than Kokomi because Kokomi has NA/CA to apply hydro as well. And Furina hydro app is a bit less consistent and irregular. So she can work if no Kokomi, but you will need Yaoyao or Baizhu as dendro 2nd char (Nahida being mandatory, if no Nahida, Dendro MC or Sac Bow Collei).
     And Fanfare points will only benefit Nahida/Collei’s damage if you go full EM Furina.

     Nilou Main – Dendro trigger : Her hydro app is a bit irregular but paired with Yelan + Kokomi it might do the trick in triple hydro. She will buff Yelan, herself and Nahida’s ri-karma. But I don’t know if it will allow the 3H1D to beat the 2H2D. And remember that draining Nahida’s HP when onfielding her is really risky, we still don’t have an hydro shielder.

     Nilou Main – Hydro carry : *stonks in mono hydro*

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   • Hu Tao is in a predicament with Furina. Hu Tao needs a healer and her best hydro applicators don’t have any healing, so you would either go triple hydro with Maidens Proto-Amber Mona, Furina, and Yelan/Xingqiu so Mona can be the healer on the team.

     Furina actually opens up a new team for Hu Tao instead. It’s basically burgeonvape Hu Tao via Baizhu, Furina, Hu Tao, and Xingqiu/Yelan. Baizhu lets Hu tao get occasional burgeons and Hu Tao will get vapes in at the same time, which also encourages using EM sands over HP sands, and with Furina’s dmg bonus, you might as well trade an elemental goblet for an EM or HP goblet.

     I’m no Alhaitham main so I can’t say. In my guess, Furina is not much of an upgrade considering hyperbloom is a main source of damage in Alhaitham quickbloom or hyperbloom in general.

     Furina is an upgrade for Cyno though. You already have Baizhu for Cyno, so Baizhu healing up the team and overflow healing leading to team healing, its a good thing Furina can use that healing for more dmg on Cyno.

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5. She can not replace my king Kaeya. My Kaeya is C6, big freeze and damage with his friends Kazuha and Bennett. They Either Buff Furina so her skill does at least 70% based on her health or i wont summon.
   My solution for Furina: Make
   – her CD lower
   – more health-based scaling!
   – Way more hydro application, she is literally LITERALLY the Hydro archon so please more water? thx
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   • Kaeya is cryo, she sure won’t replace him in his team. I won’t play my future Furina in reverse melt.

     I’m not sure about more hydro app, she would become another random XL slave… =x

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   • Why replace cryo with hydro though? And its a nerf to Furina’s Dmg bonus if they give her more hydro app. The only way dendro and electro gets a hefty use from Furina is if quicken has up-time. You give her ludicrous hydro app, you might as well forget about using her burst at all then for any dendro team.

     Plus hydro has enough hydro applicators already, via XIngqiu, Yelan, Tartaglia, Kokomi, and Ayato, so when can we get some hydro forward vape going on? That’s why we have Furina’s inconsistent hydro app, which enables her to forward vape nearly as much as Ayato’s. Hydro had a hard time being the dps since it’s always been outshined by the pyro dps, so why not reverse that and have pyro be outshined by a hydro dps?

     And by the way, her CD is pretty low, already beyond 100% uptime. Yeah, her HP scaling has been nerfed a bit though, but she isn’t clearly meant to be powercreeping Yelan. She is a Mona powercreep instead, but needs a healer to drive that powercreep forward

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6. Prototype Amber Neuvillette is not enough for a Furina party-wide hp drain, which is unfortunate because I also want to pull for his weapon. I think a Neuvillette-Furina-Kazuha team isn’t worth it anymore esp my only option left is Jean. I wish they made the healing stance a little bit better to counter the bigger hp drain

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   • Try Neuv Kazuha Charlotte Furina, Charlotte’s on her banner

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     • I don’t see the appeal, Charlotte struggles a lot in single target because of the down time of her E, I would probably recommend baizhu instead because you get both team wide healing in his E and interruption resist in his burst, hell even qiqi unironically works because her burst lets off field attackers like fischl and xiangling ect heal themselves which is more synergy than charlotte has since all her team wide healing is front loaded and you can’t really benefit from it without the team ALREADY being damaged

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       • Yes but the original commenter doesn’t seem to have Baizhu, and I suppose Qiqi is alright but I don’t often consider her for anything
         But Charlotte is easily accessible since she’s on Furina’s banner

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       • OG Qiqi main here, just clarifiying that Qiqi currently can’t allow off-field units to heal using off-field damage. She can, however, let them heal themselves as they cast abilities before swapping out (Qiqi places Talisman > Fischl casts E and heals upon dealing damage > Fischl swaps out). Talismans lasts a good while, so it’s easy as heck to do. It’s really not much different from a unit using their Skill/Burst over Bennett’s Burst to heal a bit before they swap out, just without the juicy ATK buff for snapshotting.

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   • Neuv can get max stacks on his own with just 1 CA if Furina is C2 so just ignore healers and bring a sturdy shielder like Petra Zhongli so your 50% HP party members don’t get one shot.

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7. Better go for Neuvi than this shit. Neuvi best character in the game, the real Ancient Dragon Lord and Hydro Archon not that dump kid. No doubt about that.

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   • if you like neuvillette that much your best chioce is furina as a support anyways, so what are you talking about?

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   • Neuvillette is mid though,ngl Neuvillette isn’t even that good like people say,hutao can do more team dmg, Neuvillette without furina in his team can’t even outdps hutao team. also furina is the real hydro archon, sovereign is Neuvillette,read the lore instead

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8. Well, no more broken C2 as Nahida and Raiden, just a supporter. Even with C6 I’ll go for Yelan instead of this Archon kid. C0 is already enough.

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   • Her current C2 is leauges better than the old on-field one.

     Literally better than Nahida C2 and Raiden C2.

     Much better than the niche 3 second “field time” she gets once every 20 seconds.

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9. Kuki would be peak of meta soon

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   • aint she already?

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     • she still can go higher

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       • so higher

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10. they really need to rework her healing, like they made her take even more hp, I was hoping you could do a quick switch to healing while doing second rotation (and ofc another switch before going in with the on-fielder) but now it seems that might not be sustainable.
    At the very least they should let the singer (unnamed RIP) apply element near the healed character even if it doesn’t do any damage.

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