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1. Any thoughts for Cyno as the driving DPS in Chevreuse’s team?

   So let me compile some thoughts as to why he would be good here.

   1. His better teams in quickbloom are extremely premium: Baizhu, Furina, and Nahida- a luxury healer, and two archons.
   2. Unlike his premium quickbloom teams, he doesn’t make best use of the buffs as his uptime overextends the buffs and debuffs of other characters/supports like Bennett, Kazuha, Fischl. Not the case in Chevreuse teams with that 30s buff and debuff that refreshes with each overloaded, plus has a battery through C1 Chev.
   3. Considering knockback being overloaded’s biggest problem, Cyno closes distances between himself and enemies pretty swiftly as he lunges within the normal attack chain and in his skill
   4. His other teams recommends him having IR, but in overloaded, he will continually stunlock enemies to prevent them from landing hits on him.
   5. Cyno double dips into EM, which boosts his overloaded AND his talent damage, so the reaction itself is providing damage utility.

   And compared to Raiden, he loses less opportune teams where Raiden has very many teams she can be played in more comfortably than overloaded such as hyperbloom, hyperfridge, hyper Raiden, rational, Furina taser, or wherever else, while Cyno has only belonged to quickbloom.

   Thus, Cyno gets a big dub from Chevreuse as he finds another team he can belong to.

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   • idk if youve actually played cyno but he really isnt that good for closing distances
     the one attack on his normal attack chain that does it is pretty late into it and most of the time it is skipped when using skill
     and the skill that closes distance is outside of burst, on burst it barely moves him

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   • I did some calculations a while back and Cyno with Chev (at C0) is a little but more personal dmg than aggravate but just play him in hyperbloom or quickbloom at C0
     The big atk buffers like Bennett and Sara can not compare with Cyno’s field time at all so I really don’t recommend it

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     • How would you play quickbloom without Baizhu though? In hyperbloom, the off-field abilities don’t last as long such as Beidou with 12s or having to recast Nahida during second wave, or Yelan’s not lasting nearly as long as you want it to. Chevreuse is basically an atk buff that lasts long enough for Cyno and the res shred that lasts long enough for him as well and better competes in AoE than attempting his quickbloom in AoE. And Bennett isn’t overall necessary for him either even if the atk is juicy.
       A Cyno overload team basically gives Cyno a different set of issues in AoE, but probably feels better since AoE nowadays have more medium-weight enemies than lightweight so Cyno reaches enemies closely.

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       • The problem there is Cyno is em scaling, and without reactions his damage is mediocre at best
         For quickbloom you’d just have to use dendro MC if you don’t have Nahida

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   • While in his burst, it is true that his range shortens, however in terms of enemies, most recent enemies that have come out are considered to be “medium sized enemies” so they usually wont, if anything will barely budge to the overload reactions. for example, going up against the specialist mek bots or the ruin bots (guards, cruisers, defenders, scouts, etc), some eremites even wont really stagger much let alone fly away from the overload reactions. having a cyno + chev team dedicated for abyss runs with these types of enemies totally could work. I also believe that cyno is lacking in other teams and could use more.

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2. I saw some people call her the Chev Ruse. Seems about right.
   Like sure her kit seems good on paper but then you realize, it only functions when overload happens. No overvape, no quickburn, nothing, just overload.
   Oh but bosses don’t take knockback right? Well, not really, they do take some knockback, just less than average, but they still take it and talking by personal experience sometimes it might be enough to push some out of range.
   And on top of it all, she has no off-field application to enable herself.
   Good luck to anyone trying to make her work.

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   • I don’t need luck, just skill.

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     • ok 👍

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       • ok 👍

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   • You’re coping hard. Overburn and overvape still works with her. You’re nto losing the entirety of her kit.

     SO let’s go over that topic. What does Chevy lose if she isn’t solely electro+pyro team?
     1. Off-field res shred.
     2. An atk buff solely to the non-pyro/electro character so characters like kazuha, Nahida, hydro cahracters like XQ, Yelan, or Kokomi don’t get affected.
     3. C1 energy gain caused by overloads.

     Not too big of a deal is it? If Nahida’s EM boost compensates for the loss of res shred, then you’re not losing much. Kazuha also groups up enemies and res shreds for longer despite being an actively triggered res shred.

     So even in practice, Chevreuse would be good. Despite not having off-field application, she is the only character we know so far that counteracts the knockback force of overloaded. her burst knocks enemies towards her as does her C2 after casting her skill. Overload’s not gonna be a big deal considering the res shred applies to enemies regardless of distance as long as overloaded occurs.

     You’re probably gonna find her pretty awesome in a Raikou overload team (Yae + Bennett), which I coin as Raigeki, named after the infamous YuGiOh spell. The best characters to fill in the team are Yae, Raiden, Bennett, XIangling slightly less, Yoimiya, Yanfei, and Dehya. Dehya best for comfortable amount of off field pyro app, Yoimiya for on field pyro dps, Raiden for on field electro dps, and Yae for off field electro, but beidou especially for Yoimiya on field dps.

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     • “You’re coping hard.” >proceeds to cope harder
       this community is so funny istg

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   • not true, the pyro\electro only is for coordinated attacks and debuff effects in her talent “Vanguard’s Coordinated Tactics”. however her “Vertical Force Coordination” talent does buff pyro and electro characters but the only restriction is triggering overload to activate chevs overcharged ball in her skill. Example, (Chev, Dori, Hu Tao, Xingqiu) Dori can be designated healer, Start off with Chev’s skill and use Dori’s skill to trigger the overload, then use Xingqiu’s burst and skill and dps with Hu Tao or for melt switch Xingqiu\Hu Tao for Ganyu\Yoimiya. Chev has 30s for her support so that should be enough time for a full rotation. another team could be (Chev, Miko. Kazuha, Neuvillette). Have Kazuha swirl electro and Chev trigger, Miko would benefit from both Kazuha and Chev support while Neuvillette Tasers everything. My point is we can find ways to put Chev on all kinds of teams and be of use. We can’t just label her as “trash” just because she doesn’t sit on overpowered\meta teams.

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     • 1. Didn’t label her as “trash”
       2. Attempting to melt with electro on the team is a no-no, go learn your basics in EGT
       3. Dori as an extra healer on a Hu Tao team when Chev already heals and Hu Tao doesn’t want it or even need it when she isn’t paired with Furina?
       4. Not gonna even make a comment on that Neuv team

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       • Just ignore him. He likes to pretend a unit is good and useable then shoves it into a team with Bennett, Xiangling and Kazuha.

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3. People say Klee is clunky because of her built-in knockback (some say it’s the cancels but other characters who have similar gameplay don’t get called clunky as much)
   I’ve even seen some people say Kazuha is clunky, the one others say it’s just press button and win.
   Even if her buffs are “good”, be prepared for the storm of people saying she is clunky once they realize the drawbacks of overload are still there.

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   • Not so much. She seems designed for characters that can either chase down, or have large atk arcs or range. Is she going to be good for some memey overload Hu Tao or Xiangling? Probably not. For characters like Yoimiya, Klee, Dehya or Raiden, she’ll be a good replacement for Kaz though, especially at C6. Is it going to make overload worth using? Time will tell, but for those that want her, I don’t think the overload knockback will be as much of a problem as people think.
     Another thing people often forget, her buff at C6 is stronger than Kazuha’s. Venerer is NOT an inherent part of his kit, only the ‘up to 40% elemental dmg increase’ is.

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     • it will be a problem and people will complain, that’s this game’s community, im just pointing it out
       and kazuha doesn’t have ‘up to 40% elemental dmg increase’ anywhere in his kit, he can give more, it’s just difficult to reach more than 1k em but C2 or Diona’s C6 give an extra 8% elemental dmg each, and if you somehow reach 1,5k em (buffs included) then he’d give 60% elemental dmg bonus which is what chev’s c6 gives

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       • Thanks for clarifying his buff, I thought it capped at 1k EM like Hyperbloom, the joys of being Version 1 I guess. But my point stands, her buff at C6 is at worst, equivalent to Kazuha, with a fraction of the effort required to achieve it. Hopefully we get similar units for Hydro/Cryo and any other combo of the four elements. People love to complain in this community that’s true. It’ll never change, nor would I want it too as the salt mines provides endless hours of laughs.

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   • Chevreuse will eliminate some of the drawback of knockback in overload since her burst has an imploding explosion effect, knocking enemies back to your character, as does her C2. It won’t eliminate the overloaded knockback of other characters, but relieved to see some counteracting force from both Chevreuse’s Burst and Elemental Skill given she is C2.

     Overloaded team is gonna heavily prefer ST or small group chambers and domains, but it will also prefer ranged attackers like Yoimiya but Yanfei even more given her lack of projectile drop and her instant projectile anvil. Also helps out Yae Miko over Fischl since Oz’s range is a little too short for constant overloaded, but also helps out Raiden’s and Dehya’s lunging movement during their burst form.

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4. I really wish she wasn’t HP scaling for her buffs. I was really excited to use Scarlet when I heard overload buff but, alas… it is HP yet again.

   I also wish we had more supportive weapons and artifacts. I really hate Bennett and want to substitute his utility with other means but… because how Artifact farming is I just keep thinking, “why should I try to farm other sets to try new teams if I know I won’t get the pieces to try said teams and I can just rely on what I have now?”

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   • that’s why I’m pulling Navia and bailout, this game is more stagnant than people think but as many have invested a lot of time and even money they won’t leave even if it’s painful cause they are way too invested, same here but I don’t have the time to not enjoy a game because they are being overly greedy and slowly killing the game to promote rails instead of having two super lucrative games

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     • @ SSDCZX

       precisely, perfect point. That’s how gatcha works on addiction, plus money invested ofc. Imagine someone who has spent thousands over thousands… how can he quit the game? but imagine again someone who has been f2p, always, since day0.
       Nothing spent…
       i guess it’s too easy to imagine which situation is more comfy to deal with

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     • Honestly i dont get it, its game with tons of exploration and quests, getting better with each region, then again i built like 4 different teams in 2 years and a half, but i just jump in do the new stuff and bail out. Came here to look how the new unit looks and all i see is just people doomposting. Is everyone playing the game wrong or am i playing it wrong ffs

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       • Nope you dont. I play Genshin since release, low spender at best and I stay for nice Characters (their Design and personality, not more), exploring new regions and enjoying the good story in a pretty fantasy world. Let the people flock to other games like starrail if they want and have more fun there… Let them doompost to their hearts content… let them not understand that people enjoy different things, that people have different tastes and different priorities…

         At the end of the day it should always and only boil down to yourself and what you enjoy in a game, no matter what other people say and especially in a non competitive PVE-Game like Genshin is.

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   • @wumbo I hate Bennett too. I will leave him Level 1 forever as someone who started with Qiqi C1, I’ll be forever salty how my first 2 5*s were completely useless while this 4* the most broken unit for years at C1 with little investment.

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     • It’s just a shame that we’re stuck with Bennett until they finally give us a viable alternative ATK buffer, and even then, the lack of Bennett’s utility would be killer. Like someone else mentioned somewhere else on here, I also doubt we’ll ever get a dedicated pyro buffer because of how busted that unit would have to be to replace him. Unless they make Murata that replacement I guess.

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5. Well, with that new healing set looking like a dud, I suppose I’ll be looking for… Gosh dangit where’s the 5 star instructor set? Bennett already has Noblesse and this would be the perfect opportunity to easily sneak in some added Overload damage to make the reaction a more desireable.

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   • Noblesse is likely to be Chevreuse’s best set, but if she is being used with Bennett (who is the better user for Noblesse) then I think going for Emblem (for offensive Chevreuse) or Ocean Hued (for healer Chevreuse) would make sense.

     Instructor’s , despite being only a 4* set, can still be a good choice. Main issue is that Chevreuse’s personal damage and healing is actually quite decent, so you are losing a bit more than usual by using Instructors and getting the lower stats.

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     • Unless I’m missing something, Clam’s not a great call. At talent lvl 9 with an HP sands, clam will net you right around 3500 damage every 4 seconds before phys resist, if they’re in range of the pop, which may be tricky for a lot of enemies considering you’re going to be exploding them away from you. Better to go 2pc HP% for more heals and synergy with her ascension passive, imo

       Also, even though I think Emblem’s going to be good on her no matter what, at C4, 2pc Pyro/ATK% also becomes compelling since your ER needs will be lowered, and The multicast will pair well with Fischl or Raiden letting her potentially fire off multiple overcharged balls in one rotation that wouldn’t benefit from Emblem.

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     • I would imagine that Instructors would be better on Bennet and Chevereuse would be the one going Noblesse given that Chevereuse cares more about artifact stats than Bennet dos

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     • Just use Noblesse on Chevreuse and Instructors on bennett where both are used. Otherwise, it may unfortunately just be 2pc 2pc HP set mixups so you must have at least fared the Vourukasha domain once or several condensed resin worth for the other 2pc portion. I’d probably go with Golden Troupe for dmg, Noblesse without Bennett, Lavawalkers in some teams, Thundersoothers in others, or Thundering Fury to spam the Overcharged Shot often.

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6. Just to talk about weapons for a sec, Prospector’s Drill seems practically tailor-made for her as a sub-dps, at least with some refinements. Missive Windspear’s tempting, but she’s not gonna be the one triggering the reactions consistently, so you won’t actually benefit much; Deathmatch is probably a close second or on-par depending on refinements, for support it’s either Rightful reward or black tassel depending on your ER needs or how close she is to 40k HP for the full attack buff.

   For 5-stars, Staff of Homa is the best of both worlds, basically giving her HP scaling, and Calamity Queller is… actually pretty comparable to the Drill in this case, with 176 more base damage and 9% less elemental damage, with a nearly identical ATK% bump when both weapons are at R1. The base damage gives it to the Queller at R1, but an R5 Drill gives roughly 20% more ATK and *27%* more elemental damage, so if you pulled 5 of these things back when you were trying to get Wrio’s BiS awhile back, you’re actually kinda ballin’ with Chevy.

   (Also Lithic Spear chads can run Keqing-Beidou-Xiangling and never look back)

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7. dont be fooled by her passives when shes tied to such a bad reaction, but i guess its as expected from this flop of a region to have characters with such cringe limitations

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   • dont tell me what to do.

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   • i think youre missing that she is giving the equivalent of a C2 Raiden + Bennett attack buff + half of Sara’s entire passive. you can even effectively run her on a mono electro or pyro comp if youre facing element infused enemies or areas (a constant in abyss). Her buffs are the definition of powercreep. i dont know what you mean by a flop either. Furina is insane. and the only other 5 star is Wriothesley, who is at least on par with Itto at c0. The story isnt rushed garbage either. Overload is a bad reaction, but thats the entire point of her kit. unfortunately it means we wont get an overload rework, as she is the rework sold to us at a price of c6.

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     • wdym the only other 5 star is Wriothesley???? what about Lyney and Neuvillette? lol

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     • “she is giving the equivalent of a C2 Raiden + Bennett attack buff + half of Sara’s entire passive.” no shes not

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     • “she is giving the equivalent of a C2 Raiden + Bennett attack buff + half of Sara’s entire passive”
       This line is peak comedy
       40% RES shred < 60% DEF ignore
       40% atk < 100% of Bennett's atk (c0 crowned)
       And by "half of Sara's entire passive" what do you even mean? the atk buff is on skill, a.k.a. an active + that was already "Bennett attack buff"; maybe the A4 ER one? then Chev's C1 actually gives more with less effort; or perhaps you mean both C6? then 60% elemental dmg isn't half of 60% crit dmg.
       Oh, what could it be I wonder, other than made up nonsense?

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       • Funny you say it’s less than 100% of Bennett’s atk when Bennett’s atk will only beenfit snapshotters so characters like Fischl, Yae, and Raiden won’t be able to have full uptime on Bennett’s buff and you wish to play circle impact with overloaded.

         Do remember that Chev is also a capable off-field battery (especially C1). No more quickswap batterying characters. You only need to overload and as long as they are on-field, bam, 6 energy given.

         Chev also shreds resistances without having to be on field. That is terribly different from Kazuha’s which is strict on being on field and capable of double swirling the elements.

         She’ll pretty much mitigate many AoE issues of Yoimiya and also keep distance from enemy so they don’t approach and stun her.

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     • I find it funny that when I said Klee > Lyney because of multiple reasons, one being that she has no restriction on her dmg unlike Lyney’s passive (enemies need pyro aura) people were saying abyss doesn’t usually have self-infused enemies.
       But now to defend Chev’s kit from another me it is, and I quote, “a constant in abyss”
       Quite hilarious to say the least.

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   • The bad reaction won’t have much of a problem for characters you’d likely use with her over hydro characters, so Klee, Yoimiya, Dehya, and Yanfei for options, which either chase enemies or have range on knocked back enemies. Additionally, Chevreuse doesn’t need to be on field to res shred compared to Kazuha or Sucrose, who will need to reposition to get most if not all enemies spread out resistance shredded. Furthermore, Chevreuse also has counteracting force on knockback being a knock-forward from her Burst, and Elemental Skill at C2, so basically the core of Chevreuse’s kit doesn’t do knockback when you have C2.

     Additionally, a lot of the characters you’d use with Klee are ST so you’re encouraged to play ST with Chevreuse, eliminating the issue of knockback from overload.

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   • Overload in itself is fine for anything other than mobbing content (which is rare in floor 12). Regardless overload damage isn’t the point of her kit and she doesn’t directly buff the reaction in anyway. What she is though is a solid 4* buffer for Pyro or Electro carries that rely on talent damage over reaction damage. Chevruese + Xiangling is an a comparable replacement core for Sara and Kazuha in Raiden hyper. Overload also doesn’t remove the pyro aura from enemies allowing her to be run in Lyney teams.

     She isn’t crazy good but she is above average for a post launch 4* even below c6. Also, she can be built for damage since she’ll generally want to be run with Bennett (no need to build into HP on her). She can front load a respectable amount of damage if built for it. Has low field time and low energy needs due to her desired team architypes.

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     • Overload does take away pyro tho.
       Unless you use units that apply 2U pyro (like benny) it’s going to take away your aura with just one reaction and there’s no off-field 2U pyro applicator, Xiangling’s or Dehya’s pyro can be taken away pretty easily by most off-field electros and those who don’t are other healers.
       I really don’t see her being that viable as Lyney’s teammate.

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       • This isn’t wrong, a fast electro applier will likely hurt the pyro aura uptime
         I can see it working better with a slow applier like Yae though

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         • Yae isn’t a slow applier tho, there’s a reason why she’s good in aggravate.
           Yes, her turrets share icd, but that isn’t “slow”, each time their turrets hit (very often) they will apply 1U.

         • sorry i meant to say each wave of her turrets hitting, just realized what i said might give the wrong idea

       • man really got toxic reaction for stating facts, yall hating the truth?

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         • I’ve noticed that people dislike me just because of my name most of the time, not because of what I say. Usually I even try to avoid being as toxic as others are to me but hey I have a name they don’t like so everything I say must be incorrect and just hating; or at least that’s the way people seem to think about me lmfao

       • sad that the banner has benny instead of yun jin, i already got his c6 + his cons are actually barely needed

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8. maybe just a little better than Kazuha for overload teams in c6…

   but her buff is extremely easy to be actived, effects both Pyro/electro elements and works equally on Off-field and On-field characters.

   we know arlecchino is Pyro and there will be many Pyro characters in Nathan.

   chevy may become the most op character but overload is too ordinary for “new pryo”

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   • Seems like Nathan is a playboy

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     • He just likes pryos leave him be

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   • let’s make it short, limit your team comp but enable unique team comp, damage is not much but can heal, insane utility.

     notable stuff she does:
     1. 40% pyro & electro res shred
     2. 40% atk buff
     3. 60% pyro & electro dmg bonus

     must have to have fun with new team imo, but overload won’t change the meta tho, right?.

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9. I want her!!! She looks like Pom Pom from Star Rail! ❤️

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10. https://youtu.be/jpAB2nYIITw?t=666

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    • yeah, kazuha is def comparable to chevr
      totally fair

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    • to me she’s the classic mediocre 4star.
      not bad but not good either, and her first and last flaw is being pyro (guess why)
      I’d have preferred 1 billion more a GEO buffer, and utopistically stackable with inazuman dog. Like a better faruzan, geo shred and geo dmg bonus, hence something which can buff even itto… and make him more relevant…
      but yea we ask too much to shittoyo

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      • How is Chevreuse mediocre? She pretty much counteracts any issue that overloaded causes within her kit. Enemy getting knocked back too far to res shred? She does so off field from just the reaction triggering. Enemies get knocked away? Her burst and C2 of her skill will knock enemies towards your character. Additonally, she is our second pyro healer. Furthermore, a buff that outlasts many of other buffs so hey, overload Cyno would be interesting given his chase playstyle, EM scaling, and the buff that lasts throughout Cyno’s burst.

        The only really mediocre thing about her is the elemental reaction she is paired with. Overloaded is treated as an enabling reaction rather than a transformed reaction by Chevreuse. She at least uses spontaneous explosions to offset knockback, but unfortunately applies to her.

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